Activate and deactivate scene with wallswitch

[hugohekk 0]

Hello all,

What is the best way to switch a scene (on and off) in combination with a normal wallswitch? I saw that a Door/window sensor can do the trick but they are to large to put behind a normal wallswitch. I don't want to put an extra wire into the system so i prefer a battery powered device.

All my lamps in the house are equipped with the Fibaro FGD-211 modules. The are build into the lamp itself.

I hope to hear from you

Regards, Hugo

[hvb83 1]

What exactly are you trying to achieve? I have a scene trigger upon since press for some of my switches, but I don't if that will work for you.

[hugohekk 0]

What exactly are you trying to achieve? I have a scene trigger upon since press for some of my switches, but I don't if that will work for you.

Hello hvb83,

The idea is to switch two scenes on and of with one switch.

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[hvb83 1]

Does "woonkamer aan" do the reverse of "woonkamer uit"? In that case you may combine both scenes into one and set a trigger using

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ID should be replaced by the ID of the module that you use as a scene trigger.

Then on a trigger, you should set the scene to check if the licht is on, if so, then basically run the scene that turns the living room off, otherwise it should run the parts in the scene that turn the living room on.

[hugohekk 0]

Does "woonkamer aan" do the reverse of "woonkamer uit"?

Yes it does

In that case you may combine both scenes into one and set a trigger using

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ID should be replaced by the ID of the module that you use as a scene trigger.

Then on a trigger, you should set the scene to check if the licht is on, if so, then basically run the scene that turns the living room off, otherwise it should run the parts in the scene that turn the living room on.

I think the above script can only be done when you program in LUA? If so, its gonna be a hard one for me. Tried to simulate the LUA scene but the whole house started to turn on and of and on...

First things first. What kind of hardware do you use to trigger the scene?

[hvb83 1]

And I skipped the blocks interface because it didn't make sense to me. Considering I had no previous programming experience, LUA seemed a bit intimidating to me at first too, but by now I can do some basic things without problems. In combination with this forum more than what I could have done by using the blocks.

The trigger you would use for this scene, is the dimmer or relay module that is connected to the light switch. So if the ID of that device is 15, then the LUA code will become something like

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What this does is if device 15 is used, it triggers the scene once. The scene then checks the value of your dimmer, if the value is 0, it assumes the light is off and you want to run the "woonkamer aan" scene. If the value is higher than 0, then it will run the other scene.

You will just have to add the actions that you want to execute in between. If you provide more details on what you want to do there, then we can help. But I guess you'll have something to get you on your way now.

[hugohekk 0]

That script is gonna do the trick, thanks for that. The only difference here is that the trigger has to be an module behind the switch, powered on a battery. Al my lamps are integrated with the FGD-211 modules and the switches are gone. I have an iPad on the wall that switches the light in the house.

The wallswitch that i want to use for the scene is originally for the kitchen sealing. If i should use the wallswitch to activate the scene for the living room it will interfere with another scene i plan. When we cook in the kitchen there is one switch that turns on the spots, sealing light* and the exhaust hood. If press again when we are done cooking and the living room is off, the lights will go off in the kitchen. If the living room is on, the kitchen dims to the desired values (i also can use your script for this

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* if sealing light is on, the 'Woonkamer aan' goes on.

I hope my explanation is a little-bit clear.

For now your scene will help me a lot to trigger another lamp in the house with a normal wallswitch in combination with some sort of a doorsensor behind it. Now i am looking for a doorswitch ore something that i can build behind my wallswitch, battery powered. I know that the Fibaro Door/window switch can do it but it is to large to put behind the wallswitch

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Is this possible?

[RobH 0]

Hi Hugo,

Why not use another FGD-211 (or FGS-221/211) module?

With a "pulsdrukker" you can activate scenes on your HC2

1x click is ..

2x click is ..

3x click is ..

You could even use a double monetary switch to control even more.

My experience with a battery is not positive.

I have the universal module connected to my "deurbel" with power supply.

[hugohekk 0]

Hi RobH, Because i don't have a real power supply behind the wallswitch, only brown (+) and black (switch wire).

[boerremk 84]

Brown is enough for the FGD211, for this module you don't need blue.

[hugohekk 0]

Hello boerremk, if i use the black wire then it will directly switch the kitchen sealing lamp. If i do that it will interfere with another scene i plan:

The wallswitch that i want to use for the (living room on/off) scene is originally for the kitchen sealing. If i should use the wallswitch to activate the scene for the living room it will interfere with another scene i plan. When we cook in the kitchen there is another switch that turns on the spots, sealing light* and the exhaust hood. If press again, when we are done cooking, and the living room is off, the lights will go off in the kitchen. If the living room is on, the kitchen dims to the desired values

The only thing i can think of is to use the black wire (unused now) as a blue (-) one. Then the FGD211 will work as an independent trigger.

[boerremk 84]

Can you not change the wallswitch for a double? The first is than for the original situation, the second for the new scene (combined with the FGD211).

I don't like mixing colors.... if you (or somebody else) wants to change something in the future you probally forgot that black is blue....

[hugohekk 0]

Unfortunately the double switch isn't gonna work and i agree with you that mixing the colors isn't a clean solution. The problem is that i can't use a normal switch to activate the kitchen sealing because that lamp is gonna trigger the whole house. It could work if i let go of the 'cooking scene' but that's not gonna happen. If we use the cooking scene by daylight, the living room will go on, that's not needed.

Here is what i am gonna do: I change the black wire for a blue wire and put in a TKB home switch. That will solve the problem i hope

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[harlin 0]

Why not use another FGD-211 (or FGS-221/211) module?

With a "pulsdrukker" you can activate scenes on your HC2

Spoke with Fibaro two years @ cebit about their range of products and what is missing.

Still missing a good (in wall) scene switch, X10 (xanura/holec) was used in my home before zwave. One of the most usefull modules was the GIX, a group switch with 4 pulse options. I had one on every floor, to start certain scenes.

A great device for HA, too bad fibaro never understood the value of this module.

Gr

Rene

[stevenvd 51]

they are working on a wall scene device.

Swipe module.

[boerremk 84]

I now have a solution with a Fibaro doorsensor behind a standard wallswitch. Removed the cover of the doorsensor and it fits perfectly

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[tombias4711 0]

I know have a solution with a Fibaro doorsensor behind a standard wallswitch. Removed the cover of the doorsensor and it fits perfectly

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Can you make a picture of it. Not easy to image how it looks like.

Thx

[akatar 208]

they are working on a wall scene device.

Swipe module.

hmm can't wait