'Users in house' functionality

[dw89 8]

Hi All,

I noticed (and remembered from eye motion sensor advert) in the iPad app that it says 'users in house' = 0 (and then goes on to list the switches on etc etc).

As I have around ten Fibaro Eye sensors how do I configure the HC2/the sensors to count the amount of people in the house? I've looked through the motion sensor parameters and I cannot see anything in there and neither can I see any settings in the HC2.

Any help appreciated. This would be a good feature for me for various reasons.

KR, Dave

[MalvinYNJ 4]

Put a set of Fibaro Eye sensor at the entrance and the exits of your house. use one sensor on the outside and inside of the door. that will guarantee a count if someone is stepping in or stepping out. thus you will be able to store the number of ppl in the house.

another options to test if you are at home will be to check if your phone is connected to the router (wifi).

Thanks.

[dw89 8]

Sorry Malvin but I don't understand?! I know that's HOW its supposed to work but how does it know where it is in order to do that?!

There must be parameters or something to tell it to count? What enables them to count i.e. why is it not doing it already?

Thanks in advance

Dave

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[MalvinYNJ 4]

Sorry Malvin but I don't understand?! I know that's HOW its supposed to work but how does it know where it is in order to do that?!

There must be parameters or something to tell it to count? What enables them to count i.e. why is it not doing it already?

Thanks in advance

Dave

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Hi Dave,

From the introduction of the fibaro motion sensor by fibaro, it seems like it can do counting.

Read from one of the post in the forum.

You could install two to look at either side of a door and then based on which is activated ("breached") first add or subtract one from the room count, but that is an expensive solution for sure.

The way a PIR works does not allow it to pick up the number of people in the room, it will only detect the amount of total IR radiation. So a huge guy of 160 kg will emmit almost as much radiation as four 10 year old kids.

I can only think of one way of detecting the number of people in a room and that is to make an "entrance barrier" i.e. a laser barrier which is breached whenever someone passes the door - but again, you'd need one on either side of the door to register the direction of movement.

Well, I guess you will have to get 2 breached triggers from the two sensors to be counted as one count. Are you asking how to do it in terms of lua or block scene?

[dw89 8]

Ah, I see where we are! Perhaps Fibaro could make clear what 'features' are 'within' the modules and which ones are basically 'do it yourself '.

I assumed as it was on advert that this was as is functionslity. I didnt realise I would have to code it myself!!!!

Its not too difficult I wouldnt have thought, although I suppose we need to know how to update the count etc on the dashboard? Is this really to be coded ourselves??

KR Malvin, Dave

[MalvinYNJ 4]

In my opinion, counting functionality will have to be done by us manually. It's not too difficult too. Just set a breached trigger on both sensor to add 1 to the count.

[dw89 8]

Hi Malvin,

In theory I agree, sounds pretty easy, in practice I can foresee issues.

A basic 'person coming in house' would be no problem but imagine 'someone bringing shopping in' going in and out of house many times. I can see this causing problems depending on read time and breached state parameters etc. probably needs a lot of looking at/testing. Just my 'four penneth'!

Oh and we'd still need to know how to actually update the dashboard (which to my knowledge is the only place you see number of users in house mentioned?

KR, Dave;)

[boerremk 84]

I'm using the MAC addresses of the smartphones of the family members and login to the Wifi accesspoint from Fibaro to see if they are connected. In the virtual device I can see who is home or not and if nobody is it enables the alarm.

2 drawbacks:

- battery of phones should not be empty

- you have to bring your phone whereever you go, but then again who can live without that...

It will not update the counter in the dashboard.

[anonymous66 9]

Put a set of Fibaro Eye sensor at the entrance and the exits of your house. use one sensor on the outside and inside of the door. that will guarantee a count if someone is stepping in or stepping out. thus you will be able to store the number of ppl in the house.

another options to test if you are at home will be to check if your phone is connected to the router (wifi).

Thanks.

What about if someone enter or exit from the room during the sensor breaching period?

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[JanJoh 1]

What about if someone enter or exit from the room during the sensor breaching period?

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...what about pets?

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[dw89 8]

Anonymous66,

Thats exactly one of the issues I foresee with the coming in and out the door a lot, say shopping trip with bags in and user coming in and out a lot within a minute or two. I see exactly thst happening and the count getting messed up quite easily by either not seeing you go out and then counting 'Another person ' on reentry!

I really cant see how this can be reliable, even with addition of door sensor. Only possible thought, as I saw someone say somewhere else, is a photo beam but theyre expensive and big and ugly to have on a nice door! Not to mention wiring.

Dave

Ps Malvin, not that I have any pets (unless you count the wife!) but isnt the sensor supposed to be pet proof?

[JanJoh 1]

Ps Malvin, not that I have any pets (unless you count the wife!) but isnt the sensor supposed to be pet proof?

The sensor certainly register our cats occasionally, but not always.

(Maine Coons, do an Google Image Search if you are not familiar with the breed. I think you will find the issue

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Dave

[Dalle1985 16]

- what if two people cross in the door?

- what if two people walk into the sam room at once?

- what if you walk in and walk out again very quickly?

- what if...

This is vaporware! It is something that fibaro used as a selling point but didn't deliver. It is just another case of false advertising from Fibaros part. It would be like marketing a car as a crushing tool as you can crash two together and they will crush something inbetween.

As you can see from my quote above, PIRs won't work in this fashion. The only way to make head count is by means of cameras with head tracking or some sort of tracking device (i.e. Rfid tags).

[dw89 8]

I'm already complaining to my reseller. I cannot believe this sensor has been released with the bugs it has, let alone the lack of functionality that it's being marketed as having.

From what I can 'see' (and to be clear I'm sure there are things I can't but neither are Fibaro shouting about the fixes) they seem to be closing bugs and not really addressing it in an obvious way. I hope I'm wrong but the comments I see makes me assume otherwise.

I really hope this is fixed asap, saying it will be fixed some time in the future just isn't good enough.

Dave

[MalvinYNJ 4]

Hi Malvin,

In theory I agree, sounds pretty easy, in practice I can foresee issues.

A basic 'person coming in house' would be no problem but imagine 'someone bringing shopping in' going in and out of house many times. I can see this causing problems depending on read time and breached state parameters etc. probably needs a lot of looking at/testing. Just my 'four penneth'!

Oh and we'd still need to know how to actually update the dashboard (which to my knowledge is the only place you see number of users in house mentioned?

KR, Dave;)

Yeah, logic wise ain't foolproof yet. I will create a global variable for each user and set it to IN/OUT as and when the users are in or out of the house and perhaps showing all the users status on a virtual device.

[ Added: 2014-07-07, 10:53 ]

Put a set of Fibaro Eye sensor at the entrance and the exits of your house. use one sensor on the outside and inside of the door. that will guarantee a count if someone is stepping in or stepping out. thus you will be able to store the number of ppl in the house.

another options to test if you are at home will be to check if your phone is connected to the router (wifi).

Thanks.

What about if someone enter or exit from the room during the sensor breaching period?

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It was an uncalled for person to enter the room, sound the alarm! in other cases for household family members who come in and out, basically do not set the sensor on armed mode. you will only need to capture instance where people are coming in or out and set it into a global variable.

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What about if someone enter or exit from the room during the sensor breaching period?

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...what about pets?

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Anonymous66,

Thats exactly one of the issues I foresee with the coming in and out the door a lot, say shopping trip with bags in and user coming in and out a lot within a minute or two. I see exactly thst happening and the count getting messed up quite easily by either not seeing you go out and then counting 'Another person ' on reentry!

I really cant see how this can be reliable, even with addition of door sensor. Only possible thought, as I saw someone say somewhere else, is a photo beam but theyre expensive and big and ugly to have on a nice door! Not to mention wiring.

Dave

Ps Malvin, not that I have any pets (unless you count the wife!) but isnt the sensor supposed to be pet proof?

Haha, sorry. Pets was not in my consideration of the logic scene. Fibaro advertisement for counting didn't not show that they could count pets as well? They only show counting of humans during parties and so on.

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- what if two people cross in the door?

- what if two people walk into the sam room at once?

- what if you walk in and walk out again very quickly?

- what if...

This is vaporware! It is something that fibaro used as a selling point but didn't deliver. It is just another case of false advertising from Fibaros part. It would be like marketing a car as a crushing tool as you can crash two together and they will crush something inbetween.

As you can see from my quote above, PIRs won't work in this fashion. The only way to make head count is by means of cameras with head tracking or some sort of tracking device (i.e. Rfid tags).

True to your point dalle. Gimmicks.