what do you tell your wife?

[palomaray 5]

Yes I also wanted simple drop down or menu driven scenes, which Fibaro does have but I think they're pretty limited and a bit drawn out and long winded to use. In my opinion the HS3 (I have HS3PRO) gives so much more in this regard, and it is only really complex scripts that would need coding.

I use the Aeon Z stick which is great as it is battery operated so for inclusion you just walk around with it to your device, push the button and away you go.

It is a touch more expensive initially as you would have to have the host unless you buy the Homeseer unit, but you get so much more for your bucks. For example I had some old X10 stuff kicking around so I just plugged in the CM15 and used them for heaters in the garage.

I'm sure in years to come Fibaro, if they don't fail spectacularly in between, will be very good. However, Homeseer has been around a long time and everything just works, such as the voice activation, speech prompts etc. etc.

I have spent a few hours making my own control pages using the HS Design software you get with the Pro version, and they are awesome, and are 100% customisable.

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Yes it does support H264 cameras, and if you use Foscam, it automatically detects and includes them.

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Im just happy i bought the HC2 second hand. He was going over to indigo and mac mini. So i got it cheaper, so i should be able to sell it without loss. Unless the rumor of Fibaro being not stable at all reaches out first. Then it will be just lost money i guess.

I'm sure you'd sell it very easily as it does on the face of it look very good. I also know a lot of people on here will shoot me down in flames with the old "development, improvement" rubbish, but I have had the unit for quite a while, and I can confirm that there is no completely "stable" version, not even the early 3.590 "stable" is actually stable.

In addition, with both HS3 and Indigo you can back up your system to wherever you want, so I guess they have missed the so called security issue that this causes according to Fibaro!

[U5tabil 2]

Yes I also wanted simple drop down or menu driven scenes, which Fibaro does have but I think they're pretty limited and a bit drawn out and long winded to use. In my opinion the HS3 (I have HS3PRO) gives so much more in this regard, and it is only really complex scripts that would need coding.

I use the Aeon Z stick which is great as it is battery operated so for inclusion you just walk around with it to your device, push the button and away you go.

It is a touch more expensive initially as you would have to have the host unless you buy the Homeseer unit, but you get so much more for your bucks. For example I had some old X10 stuff kicking around so I just plugged in the CM15 and used them for heaters in the garage.

I'm sure in years to come Fibaro, if they don't fail spectacularly in between, will be very good. However, Homeseer has been around a long time and everything just works, such as the voice activation, speech prompts etc. etc.

I have spent a few hours making my own control pages using the HS Design software you get with the Pro version, and they are awesome, and are 100% customisable.

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Yes it does support H264 cameras, and if you use Foscam, it automatically detects and includes them.

Ok cause i see the pro version you get tons of plugins for free also. and the touch thing, then i can make something usefull of my tablet on the wall too. Fibaro interface looks good but its useless in my opinion. So just to be able to make your own is good.

A Z-Wave stick aint that expensive either. ofcourse it will cost me a bit more. but if a bit more means i will have something i can rely on to work. then i will do that. And from the look on the forum it seems like there is lots of stuff. pluss the manual/tutorials seems better. Fibaro just lacks all of it.

Only thing fibaro is good at is design. Nothing more. The sensor is nice looking etc. interface is nice looking. But it just doesnt help when nothing is working as it should. stuff happens that you cant explain or debug, a restart helps.

Its like when i was young working on cars. The worst problem you could have was those faults that was not there always but happen from time to time. Cause the things that was constant failed you always manage to fix. The one that was random, those where hard to crack. And to be hones i thing Fibaro need to make their OS all over, its to far in to be repaired/mended. What they need is a total new software made from scratch.

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i just bought a Z-Wave USB stick once i get it i will try out HS3 before i buy that and sell this Fibaro Thin Can.

[palomaray 5]

Yes exactly.

Fundamentally the system I believe (opinion only) is flawed. You can use all the sensors with the HS3 or Indigo systems, so not everything is wasted.

The Aeon stick you can pick up for about £30 on eBay, or about £50 odd brand new. I would recommend new as the older ones had their own problems.

Thing is also with the HS touch designer you can apply different resolutions for different displays, which is great for devices of different sizes.

As I said I don't want to run down Fibaro as I'm sure the guys working for them are committed and work really hard, but it seems they have a vision and a goal, but are totally oblivious to customer feedback and suggestions, other than reporting of bugs. My biggest issue is the inability to back up the system, which just seems totally absurd given that others do it with no issues at all. I would try a later software in Spain but can't afford to do it to find the back up stack has failed and I have to return the unit to have it recovered. It just does not make sense, and nothing I have seen from Fibaro to date quantifies their reasoning to do so.

The forums and documentation for Homeseer is top class and the plug ins, many of them either free or very cheap, are excellent and very easy to apply.

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Yes good idea as you get a whole month to trial it before you need to commit to buy, and if you don't get on with it you can always sell the stick.

It is less glossy than Fibaro, which I have always said has an interface to die for, but there is no comparison with functionality and the sheer power of the systems when compared side by side.

[U5tabil 2]

Well i just ordered one stick hope to have it before weekend so i can test

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But yeah its not like i hate Fibaro, but its the way they do things. That are in my opinion totally wrong. Focusing on estetics, design and features instead of the most fundamentaly the stability of it. They released a new version with more features fully knowing the previous release was not stable at all. And also from the bugs in the beta this release is nothing more than a facade for public view on CES 2015.

And with movies of the system showing more than it can actually do is also not good. Yeah some you can do but not for the average user, for most of that stuff you need to know LUA coding and use lot of time, not just making it from drop down boxes using your imagination.

So by showing something it can't do customers will feel cheated on.

Fibaro need to step back a bit stop with what they are doing and ask them self what they really want to do. They have their heads so far down on the table that they dont see the big picture on what is really important. And thrust me as a leader in business i know how important it is too look on the big picture. Maybe thats what they are missing a good leader to show them the way. Cause all i see is a bunch of really smart people in Fibaro working their ass of on the wrong part.

I for one hope they will not go down under, cause i would love to see more z-wave devices from them like the sensor which is really good looking, same for the other stuff. They have shown the industry how things should look and not look like its still beeing made in the 90's.

[GlennNZ 0]

I would put a strong plug for indigo - see my extensive post somewhere.

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Sure there are some differences - but it does work - and when it doesn't there is a reason for it which typically is easy to fix.

I really haven't looked back - it a few days off have sorted out SMS control locks/devices, checking off/on, IBeacon support - so now when movie starts all the lights don't go out if wife still elsewhere (that used to piss her off)

The bottomline though is the Z-wave side does seem quite robust.

Main interface-wise its a bit different - but remains very usable.

The control pages are fantastic and with aid of

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have created some great floor plans and they serve basis of android pad control. (I think was the first time the wife used the pad system when I changed over)

Personally I only wish I had started with Indigo rather than going down HC2 line as lost a lot of goodwill which is now only being to improve with a functioning and growing system! (Having said that most of my devices are fibaro - relays and dimmers - although I here the Qubino potentially are taking over as having excellent LED dimmer support)

Good luck

Glenn

[U5tabil 2]

I would put a strong plug for indigo - see my extensive post somewhere.

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Sure there are some differences - but it does work - and when it doesn't there is a reason for it which typically is easy to fix.

I really haven't looked back - it a few days off have sorted out SMS control locks/devices, checking off/on, IBeacon support - so now when movie starts all the lights don't go out if wife still elsewhere (that used to piss her off)

The bottomline though is the Z-wave side does seem quite robust.

Main interface-wise its a bit different - but remains very usable.

The control pages are fantastic and with aid of

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have created some great floor plans and they serve basis of android pad control. (I think was the first time the wife used the pad system when I changed over)

Personally I only wish I had started with Indigo rather than going down HC2 line as lost a lot of goodwill which is now only being to improve with a functioning and growing system! (Having said that most of my devices are fibaro - relays and dimmers - although I here the Qubino potentially are taking over as having excellent LED dimmer support)

Good luck

Glenn

Yes but with Indigo i would need a mac mini. I already have a windows server that is more than capable of managing this. And it would be nice to be able to use that.

So for me i think HS3 will be nice. And with proper Netatmo and XBMC plugins that from what i can read actually work as they should i think this is a no brainer.

I will still use some Fibaro modules. But i might change some of the dimming modules for the LED's later. As even with the bypass i don't feel they work that good. My previous lightmanager with coco dimmers was much better at dimming, then it was possible to dim much better down towards 1% making it perfect night light.

But as for design Fibaro wins.

I might want to try the RGBW module if i dont find others that are better, as i have some led rgb strips in the bedroom that i would love to get working properly with a system.

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HS3 is not bad indeed, but personally I don't really like the idea to trust my home automation to windows-based software, especially not a server OS version.

MacOS is a UNIX derivative. That's is. It can work for years. I'd better sell HC2 and buy Mac mini (Indigo6 is very efficient in terms of CPU power).

[richo 4]

I also fully recommend Indigo especially if you have some time do develop user interface. It's very easy to create customized pages for iPhone/iPad so I have done a few together with my wife to make her really HAPPY

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But real happines is in it's stability. Finally I spend time playing with my HA not constantly solving problems.

Here is my post about some functionalities (supposed to be a joke at Fibaro

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and here is about the controller (I have used 6 years old MacBook)

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[U5tabil 2]

HS3 is not bad indeed, but personally I don't really like the idea to trust my home automation to windows-based software, especially not a server OS version.

MacOS is a UNIX derivative. That's is. It can work for years. I'd better sell HC2 and buy Mac mini (Indigo6 is very efficient in terms of CPU power).

I have had my server on the attic for many year running W7 without any problem at all. We don't live in 90's where we had windows 95 and lots of bluescreens. We have moved on what you say here is old prejudices of windows beeing unstable. And compared to HC2 its way more stable. I also ran my old ligt system on my server for over 1 year without it ever being a problem. And safety? Well thats down to passwords and firewall. i use 256bits cryptation on that one, so better of hacking a bank, there you at least get money if you manage to hack it, not here

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I also use Android phones and the HTPC is W8.1 my Laptop is W8.1. So for me having windows is kind of easier. And like i said i already have my server with more than enough resources on it. Going for indigo means i have to get a mac mini that cost a lot. Then the software. And for me it looks a bit Apple fan based. I would need to learn a new operating system also. But by all means it looks good too. From the looks of it i would say Indigo for those that prefer apple and homeseer for those that prefer windows

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I hope i get my z-stick before weekend, then il go with the 30 day trial of HomeSeer3. Thats longer trial time than iv used this HC2.

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But with that macmini and indigo can i run XBMC on the same using that macmini as a HTPC? And run both Tidal streaming and XBMC on it easily?

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And also netatmo support?

[fergalmccarthy 5]

You can yes, I use Plex but XBMC works fine, i also run sighthound for recording IP cameras, but again there are binaries for Windows and Mac for both. I guess the point shapa is making about Mac is that with it being a UNIX variant, it is probably more flexible, in terms of programming languages and less susceptible to viruses and malware etc, that is where the increased reliability comes, however if you are running a dedicated machine with no internet / email, then you will probably be ok.

There are pluses and minuses for each product, Personally being a unix admin, i prefer OSX as I have bash , applescript and python natively for scripting and its also an excellent media server.

[j.nowacki 5]

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[fergalmccarthy 5]

Netatmo supported via plugin, huge list of plugins

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Good to see where your priorities are.

[U5tabil 2]

You can yes, I use Plex but XBMC works fine, i also run sighthound for recording IP cameras, but again there are binaries for Windows and Mac for both. I guess the point shapa is making about Mac is that with it being a UNIX variant, it is probably more flexible, in terms of programming languages and less susceptible to viruses and malware etc, that is where the increased reliability comes, however if you are running a dedicated machine with no internet / email, then you will probably be ok.

There are pluses and minuses for each product, Personally being a unix admin, i prefer OSX as I have bash , applescript and python natively for scripting and its also an excellent media server.

Iv been running internett and torrent on that machine for year without problems

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I need to use XBMC as Plex dont support pure blurays, iso's and "folder" movies like a proper bluray copy is. As for now i run XBMC and Tidal music streaming on my HTPC. And a search with indigo and XBMC i can't see a proper plugin for that. But on homeseer i find a good working plugin with easy setup.

We will see for now just testing Homeseer for 30 days doesnt cost me more than the z-stick. if i dont like it i still use the stick and try getting myself a macmini and try indigo for another 30 days if homeseer is bad.

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We dont adverstise at all we compare there is a difference

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Like conclusion so far on plugins. XBMC is supported on homeseer. a little less supported on indigo, not properly supported in HC2. Netatmo is supported with proper plugin on HS3 and Indigo very buggy on HC2.

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And if Fibaro focus on slapping people for discussing and comparing systems rather than really work on the problem and also not comming with a proper statement of the terrible situation thats low. It would never happened if Fibaro had focus on the real problem in the first place.

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I also see that Fibaro has delete comments on Facebook where people made a joke on v4. Deleting stuff like that is never a good thing. Care to comment? What about an official statement regard all the problems in the last days after the update that was suppose to fix everything.

[gestel73 0]

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Maybe it's because this system is unreliable! so.. isn't it to be expected that people discuss other systems.

[JanJoh 1]

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Speaking of advertising.. when will your system actually do all it has been advertised to be able to do?

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[richo 4]

j.nowacki,

I have been using Fibaro products for more then 2 years. I have almost 100 devices from Fibaro and have convinced a few friends to buy Fibaro products.

During that time I have also invested 100 if not 1000s of hour to improve and support Fibaro software both in my installation and also sharing the knowledge with other forum members. Thanks that I didn't have as many problems as other has described.

I was anxiuosly waiting for v4 to get the best experience I should expect from a renowned company like Fibaro. Unfortunatelly It didn't happen and I needed to find another solution so that my Fibaro devices could be usefull.

I have moved to Indigo which has some flows but at the current situation suites my needs much better.

I plan to keep my HC2 and would be happy to give you another chance if you change your approach and start doing better software.

In my opinion you are still doing really good main powered devices (I didn't have any major problems) and great looking but not that great working battery operated devices.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD FINALLY FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO REALLY GOOD AND STOP PRETENDING THAT EVERYTHING YOU DO IS FANTASTIC.

I'm a reasonable person and as soon as you deliver something GOOD and start listening to your CUSTOMERS, I'm into it.

Regards

Ryszard

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[MrMKHR 1]

Please cease advertising of competitive systems, further posts in that matter will be deleted. As this this is official forum of one system manufacturer, please share your thoughts regarding other solutions on adequate sites.

At the current situation you should be REALLY careful not to piss off you users any more. if you start deleting posts, people WILL get upset.

Instead, act like you should. Post a statement. Post an apology. Post an ETA for the next version that will ONLY contain bugfixes, NOT new features.

If yu do anything else, people will be angry.

[palomaray 5]

If this is an "official" forum then why don't you just post an "official" response to "official" complaints?

People are not advertising other systems as you put it, they are just voicing an official opinion on how they feel other systems (yes there are others) stack up against, or exceed, the offerings currently provided by Fibaro.

This is precisely the attitude that will cost you custom and force people to other platforms which provide a friendlier and more attentive approach to support.

If you can't take the criticism and be proactive with it, instead of just throwing your toys out of the pram when something is said which you don't like, then you shouldn't be supplying to the public.

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we decide what to do with youre wife after seeing her picture

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Whahahahaha .........

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/emoticons/default_icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":-D" /> totally agree

You're the man akatar