How to get Fibaro Motion Sensor to act faster?

[U5tabil 2]

Can i set how fast the sensor react when going in out of breached/safe mode? I feel that once in breached it stays there for quite some time before going into safe. Iv tried changing as many variables on it as possible to get it as sensetive as possible but it seems im not getting it to react that fast and good as promised.

what iv done so far is to change:

1 Motion sensor sensetivity: 8

2 Motion sensor blind time: 0

3 Pir sensor pulse counter: 3

4 pir sensor window time: 3

6 motion alarm cancelation delay (default): 30

[HansS 3]

I set param 2 to 4 and param 4 to 4, param 6 to 5 and that did indeed make it faster.

[dawiinci 5]

You can reduce the pulse counter to 1. Sensitivity you have already set to 8.

This will detect motion faster.

You could also associate devices directly to make it faster (if possible).

[boomx 43]

Parameter 6 is for the time, how long the sensor is breached. if you set this to 10 seconds, then the motion sensor get the status safe after 10 seconds

[Dalle1985 16]

Yup - parameter 6 will reduce the "hang time" before it self cancels. Reducing it will make it more responsive, but also consume more power (every time it changes state, it sends a message and consumes power).

However, you also need to ensure that there is no blind time, as this will disable the sensor for the set period.

[U5tabil 2]

Yup - parameter 6 will reduce the "hang time" before it self cancels. Reducing it will make it more responsive, but also consume more power (every time it changes state, it sends a message and consumes power).

However, you also need to ensure that there is no blind time, as this will disable the sensor for the set period.

Yeah blind time is already set to 0.

I get that it will use a lot of power. but then again its in the kitchen. i aint standing there all day

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But anyway even with all these settings i dont find it sensetive enough. i have the sensor point at me from 1,5 meter away. And say im standing there working with my hands it still does not detect this.

Why i want this is cause i have a kitchen/livingroom in one. So setting a delay on a light event is not an option. Not for more than 15-20sec at least. I want the lights to go off as soon as i leave the kitchen. But then again i find that when im at the kitchen prepering food my movemonet is to low for the sensor. Or sensor not beeing sensetive enough.

Fibaro is making a comerical of these sensor being super sensetive, but they are not. But again i like them cause of design.

[dawiinci 5]

They are sensitive but if you don't move while preparing your meal in the kitchen it is not the sensor's fault.

These sensors need temperature difference between a moving object and the environment. If you only make small movements the resolution of these kind of sensors is too small. The more distance the more movement is needed.

However I found out that it makes sense in terms of coverage to have the logo in the back sideways.

[U5tabil 2]

They are sensitive but if you don't move while preparing your meal in the kitchen it is not the sensor's fault.

These sensors need temperature difference between a moving object and the environment. If you only make small movements the resolution of these kind of sensors is too small. The more distance the more movement is needed.

However I found out that it makes sense in terms of coverage to have the logo in the back sideways.

Right. But thats the thing then. I need to move my whole body, my hands working on the table is not enough. Cause my the sensor see it as 1 piece since my hands and body looks like one. Maybe if i put the sensor more from the side down it will see my hands better? Unless my hands will be too small anyway.

I have the sensor mounted in the ceiling not just over me but more of an angle down towards, pointing at me. so it will also cover movement at the cabins etc.

[chaicka 195]

I have motion sensor in the kitchen to manage lights in it for the past 3 months and it has been working fine such as able to stand still and chop up ingredients without the lights going off, able to stand still and wash dishes without lights going off. I am able to prepare ingredients, cook, bake, washing dishes, etc fine without a single incident of lights pre-maturely switching off.

The position where the motion sensor is mounted relative to the size of the kitchen does play an important part. Below are the parameters and the scene configuration.

Motion Sensor Parameters

Para 1: 10

Para 2: 15

Para 3: 2 pulses

Para 4: 12

Para 6: 60

NoMotion TurnOff Scene

MotionSensor == safe 180s AND NightTime == 1 THEN TurnOff 30s

[U5tabil 2]

I have motion sensor in the kitchen to manage lights in it for the past 3 months and it has been working fine such as able to stand still and chop up ingredients without the lights going off, able to stand still and wash dishes without lights going off. I am able to prepare ingredients, cook, bake, washing dishes, etc fine without a single incident of lights pre-maturely switching off.

The position where the motion sensor is mounted relative to the size of the kitchen does play an important part. Below are the parameters and the scene configuration.

Motion Sensor Parameters

Para 1: 10

Para 2: 15

Para 3: 2 pulses

Para 4: 12

Para 6: 60

NoMotion TurnOff Scene

MotionSensor == safe 180s AND NightTime == 1 THEN TurnOff 30s

With that setup it would work for me too. You have 180s in "safe" before it turns off after another 30s.

For now i have if safe for 15s it goes of. I dont want to increase it but i know if i set this to 20-30sec i will not have this problem.

So i will just keep increasing the delay time before it goes off until i find the right timer setting. As the sensor is unable to see me chopping ingridients. Most of the time in a kitchen you are not still anyway. you almost always move a little. stretch for a tool or something. its just when you stand still maybe reading what to do, or just chopping that you are standing still.

[chaicka 195]

Yup, that is why I tuned the scene to work best for the environment (small kitchen) and lifestyle/habits.

No single environment and lifestyle is the same, hence difficult to have a single configuration template that works for all.

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[U5tabil 2]

Yup, that is why I tuned the scene to work best for the environment (small kitchen) and lifestyle/habits.

No single environment and lifestyle is the same, hence difficult to have a single configuration template that works for all.

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That is very true. I have a kitchen/livingroom in 1 big room. I got the system working faster. and for now 10sec seems enough most of the time. Maybe i adjust to 15-20 by time depending on how it goes.

[Dalle1985 16]

You need one of two things:

1) start dancing in the kitchen when you cook food

2) a wife to do the cooking for you!

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As dawiinci wrote, the sensor works by registering infrared energy in blobs. The lens makes the blobs quite hazy, therefore, it will not detect small motions unless you have the sensor very close to your hands.

You need the sensor to be more sensitive, not react faster. So set parameters:

param 1 = 8

param 3 = 0 (the manual is a bit misleading, but I believe 0 is the most sensitive setting - if not, set it back to 3 and start dancing)

This will set the pulse counter to the lowest possible setting and the sensitivity to the highest, meaning the sensor will be ultra sensitive. It might also result in some false reporting, but that is more or less a trade off you will have to live with.

[DW_Soothill 0]

Does anyone have an example LUA script for setting the parameters? 

 

I have a lot of motion sensors and want to play around with the settings but don't want to spend hours modifying them through the GUI which doesn't always seem to take the settings first time.

[A.Socha 133]

@up take motion to hand and every time when you need send parameters just wakeup device manually by pressing b button (motion will glow to blue and in top log window you will see info

[pathduck 18]

This is very annoying. Param 6 is based on how long it is "breached" before it sends a signal to the controlling with it being safe. The higher value of Param6 seems to give a higher "blind" time afterwords for some reason. And without changing parameter 2. If i set param 6 to 10 seconds it is really responsive and the light will activate straight away on movement. Setting Param 6 to over 5 minutes results in blind time above the time defined in parameter 2 for some strange reason.

 

So the way ut is set up today is based on set breach time, after the set breach time you will need to make sure to breach it again to activate the light. In my mind this is a strange way of doing it because it means you need to make a movement efter the set breach time.

 

I would rather set the safe time. Say you set the "safe" time to 4 minutes. If the sensor has not detected change in movement for 4 minutes it will change the state to safe.

 

Am i getting this wrong?

[pathduck 18]

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In the UI it is marked as breached and last breach over 14 minutes ago, but the PIR reported safe a long time ago and turned the associated light of. Now the PIR will not mark as breached in the controller, it will still turn on the light even if the breach is not reported. I reset the motion sensor today because it stated last breach 5 days ago but that is not correct off course. After Exclude, reset and include the breach would update once stating 1 min but after that it has stopped reporting.

 

Any ideas?