Fibaro looking when someone is at home?

[plutonium 5]

Hello,

 

how I can use Fibaro to be more intelligent and to know when someone is at home?

 

Then, when he will now someone is home to start some scene or start device etc...

 

Thanks

[emielstroeve 22]

do you have anything which can detect if someone is home?? motion sensors, or door sensors?

 

cheers

emiel

[plutonium 5]

No, I'm just looking for solution.

[emielstroeve 22]

buy motion sensors, and search this forum, there's a lot written about checking if someone is at home.

 

cheers

emiel

[Joacim 11]

There are other ways to know if someone is "near" home as well. Those solutions are based on wheter your phone is conected to your wifi or your gps position. But the hands down most stable solution is a physical button of some form or shape (there are alot of solutions ex. ncf readers or tablet computers, virtual devices or plain switches). 

[plutonium 5]

buy motion sensors, and search this forum, there's a lot written about checking if someone is at home.

 

cheers

emiel

 

So far I found only this: 

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But I'm not even sure if this is what I'm looking for as I'm not familiar with LUA.

 

 

There are other ways to know if someone is "near" home as well. Those solutions are based on wheter your phone is conected to your wifi or your gps position. But the hands down most stable solution is a physical button of some form or shape (there are alot of solutions ex. ncf readers or tablet computers, virtual devices or plain switches). 

 

Thanks Joacim, but solution with 2 motion sensors looks fine for me. The only problem would be how to make it to work. Any idea?

[MalvinYNJ 4]

Currently, I'm using tasker on my android phone. Whenever my phone is near to my wifi network, it will auto connect to the wifi network and it would notify the fibaro system that i'm at home. Perhaps adding a motion sensor around the house to check for motion is a good idea as well.

 

Or likewise you can create a switch just to toggle if you are at home.

[plutonium 5]

Currently, I'm using tasker on my android phone. Whenever my phone is near to my wifi network, it will auto connect to the wifi network and it would notify the fibaro system that i'm at home. Perhaps adding a motion sensor around the house to check for motion is a good idea as well.

 

Or likewise you can create a switch just to toggle if you are at home.

 

The problem here can be when your mobile phone is off. In that case it will not detect that you are home.Also lets say we have 4 members in house and each of them use automation. What and how to do to recognize when anyone is at home.

 

Does anyone knows how to connect together 2 motion sensors? Or any more stable solution. 

[MalvinYNJ 4]

you can create variable for all 4 members in your family. what are the chances that you leave or enter your house with your mobile phone off?

 

motion sensor wise can just check for the last breached timing to decide if anybody is still around in the house.

[plutonium 5]

you can create variable for all 4 members in your family. what are the chances that you leave or enter your house with your mobile phone off?

 

motion sensor wise can just check for the last breached timing to decide if anybody is still around in the house.

 

In my case very high chances of returning back home with mobile phone battery empty

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Do you have somewhere tutorial how to do program Fibaro for that scenario?

[MalvinYNJ 4]

To create a scene, it is greatly based on your needs.

 

There are some threads in this forum discussing about presence in the house related topics. Perhaps you can try searching for it?
 

[plutonium 5]

To create a scene, it is greatly based on your needs.

 

There are some threads in this forum discussing about presence in the house related topics. Perhaps you can try searching for it?

 

 

Basically what I need is that system knows when someone is at home. Then when he will know, I will use that information (probably digital 1/0 variable) to trigger some scene.

 

I tried to search, but all what I found is LUA code examples. Is there anything more simple and explained step by step?

[MalvinYNJ 4]

I see. In my case, I would figure it out which are the triggers which I can use to decide if I'm home. In your case, you've decided to use 2 motion sensor. I suggest the counting feature which Fibaro has implemented. Code wise not sure if they have come up with but Fibaro UK have come up with a short snippet of the counting feature perhaps u would like to take a look.

[Joacim 11]

Basically what I need is that system knows when someone is at home. Then when he will know, I will use that information (probably digital 1/0 variable) to trigger some scene.

I tried to search, but all what I found is LUA code examples. Is there anything more simple and explained step by step?

Actually what you are asking for is quite complex. There's allot of possibilities to get a counting or movement scene wrong. Say for example your scene is based on last movement detected then what happens when you go to bed or shower? Or a scene based on door openings and you don't come home alone. Or some sort of counting scene and you forget something and go back inside. And those problems only multiply when there are more family members involved. The easiest solution is to hit a switch when leaving home or get back home.

[plutonium 5]

Actually what you are asking for is quite complex. There's allot of possibilities to get a counting or movement scene wrong. Say for example your scene is based on last movement detected then what happens when you go to bed or shower? Or a scene based on door openings and you don't come home alone. Or some sort of counting scene and you forget something and go back inside. And those problems only multiply when there are more family members involved. The easiest solution is to hit a switch when leaving home or get back home.

 

Hmm, yes, looks like it is really best solution if we think about few house members.

[fi-bar-oh 47]

Netatmo Welcome

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[Kime 0]

I've been looking for a good solutions as well.

 

I think a Home switch is one of the best options, I only struggle with the correct state. If you switch the state via a scene, the toggle switch will not change.

If you go for this option you can only use the switch...

 

NFC tags, QR codes  are an option, but then again everybody in the house should use them. The last to leave and the first to enter, should scan...

Then the switch is easy for everyone @home ( I don't see my wife/kids scan a code everytime they are home...)

 

What I do now is send a push message at 10.00 & 18.30 to my  phone with the question "Are you home" and the current state

With the PopupService.publish function its very simple to answer the question on you phone and change the state fast.

 

For the Netatmo Welcome, can I take action when someone comes home ? (open an external link ?), what about when somebody leaves, I don't think it can detect that.

[Dannyboy 12]

If you have a fairly modern alarm system the easiest way is to connect a Universal Binary Sensor to it. If alarm is on, nobody is home. Works very well. The sensors other channel can be used to detect alarms, or, if a phone line is connected to the alarm, to detect phone calls while you are out.

 

On my part I am looking to integrate a dialer. That would enable automatic call forwarding when nobody is home.

[fi-bar-oh 47]

My netatmo welcome recognises my face and does what I want via global variable. Scenes etc...

It also detects my wife and children all by name tag (variable)

So yes... And when you leave for more than your own preferred time then will do something else!

Example : all 4 variables away = arm alarm

Any one home then disarm if face is recognised!

[HansS 3]

Sounds very interesting. Except for one thing. I'm not really fond of cloud solutions just yet. Any chance that cam works without a Netatmo account?

[fi-bar-oh 47]

Not sure to be honest! But all videos etc are stored on sd not cloud if that helps? Only unknown face snapshots are stored online in case the unit gets stolen