Help - Scene to keep light turned on until motion is safe

[viga81 6]

Hi,

 

I'd like to do a simple scene which turn on a lamp when a fibaro motion sensor and keep it on until the sensor return to the safe state.

 

I'm coming from HCL (only block scene) and I used to do that using two scenes: one for turning on the light when sensor is breached. One to turn off the light when the motion is safe.

 

My need is not only to have my light turned on when motion is breached, but keeping it on until I'm out of the room.

 

Could someone help me to do that with LUA?

 

Thanks

 

 

[Sankotronic 2,370]

That is very tricky because even if you are in the room if you are not moving much (eg. watching TV) sensor will not detect you and go to safe turning off lights with you present in the room. One trick is to use timer which will keep lights on even after sensor go to safe mode, but again if it is not long enough for sensor to get your move result is again dark room with you in it. On the other hand if timer is too long then lights will stay on for too long after you leave room. Other solution is to monitor some device status like smart plug power consumption and if it is higher than some minimum to keep lights on. Good example is again watching TV, when TV is on consumption on plug will be higher, and when you turn TV off consumption will drop bellow some minimum and lights will then turn off if sensor is safe.

 

I have solution almost finished but it is written in LUA code and don't have it in block scenes, sorry. In my opinion controlling lighting is the most challenging task for home automation and needs careful planning. My goal is that lighting is turning on and off without needing our action at all. I am there, and it is working fine with some little glitches mostly caused by limitations of motion and light sensors. It is quite complicated scene and is integrated with other systems so before publishing it here on forum I have to write instructions and publish other virtual devices and scenes that have influence.

 

Maybe in the future if I find enough time I will write counterpart in block scenes but block scenes are quite limited and it will require great deal of planning and numerous block scenes to achieve what I done in LUA code. So no promises.

[viga81 6]

Also Lua would be great, I've just moved from hcl to hc2 to solve this problem!

[Sankotronic 2,370]

That's great cause HC2 is giving really a lot of possibilities and power.

[cag014 731]

On 10/1/2016 at 1:03 AM, viga81 said:

Hi,

 

I'd like to do a simple scene which turn on a lamp when a fibaro motion sensor and keep it on until the sensor return to the safe state.

 

I'm coming from HCL (only block scene) and I used to do that using two scenes: one for turning on the light when sensor is breached. One to turn off the light when the motion is safe.

 

My need is not only to have my light turned on when motion is breached, but keeping it on until I'm out of the room.

 

Could someone help me to do that with LUA?

 

Thanks

 

 

You don't need LUA code (or block scene) for that, just use association between sensor and light switch.

It's simple and the advantage of this, that even HC2 is turned off it continues to work. The association ability designed exactly for case like that.

Edited October 1, 2016 by cag014

[Sankotronic 2,370]

9 hours ago, cag014 said:

You don't need LUA code (or block scene) for that, just use association between sensor and light switch.

It's simple and the advantage of this, that even HC2 is turned off it continues to work. The association ability designed exactly for case like that.

I agree with you cag14, association has that one benefit that it works even HC2 is off, but that is the only benefit.

[cag014 731]

According to viga81's post, he has this functionality with HCL and association  does exactly what he needs.

I agree with you Sankotronic that sometimes you need more than motion sensor to turn OFF the lights, but  you're guessing that he talks about some kind of living room with TV or some other appliance, it might be not the case.

For example I'm using association for all my bathrooms (I've five of them) and it works great. There is no any other condition that I need to turn off the light if no movement detected.

 

viga81 - I'm curios, what kind of room you're talking about?

[Sankotronic 2,370]

cag14, please read all posts before making any comments. viga81 just moved to HC2 so LUA is ok for him as he already mentioned. Association is ok for some very dark room that never sees light of day like cellar but the rest of the house or apartment definitely need more sophisticated solution don't you agree?

[cag014 731]

13 minutes ago, Sankotronic said:

cag14, please read all posts before making any comments. viga81 just moved to HC2 so LUA is ok for him as he already mentioned. Association is ok for some very dark room that never sees light of day like cellar but the rest of the house or apartment definitely need more sophisticated solution don't you agree?

I didn't say that LUA is not OK for him. I just said that he had this functionality on HCL before move to HC2. 

And yes I have read  the post and I quote:

" I'd like to do a simple scene which turn on a lamp when a fibaro motion sensor and keep it on until the sensor return to the safe state. "

I have answered exactly what he asked for.... according to his needs.

Could you please send an example what more I need for Toilet (room). If you're there turn the light ON, when you leave turn the light OFF (no code required).

Same as done for toilets at lobby in every hotel across the world (and they are doing that with PIR alone - no controllers).

Once again I agree that usually you need more sophisticate scene, but there are a lot of examples where is not required.

In any case is just a thought.... to help Fibaro user.

[akatar 208]

On 1-10-2016 at 0:03 AM, viga81 said:

Hi,

 

I'd like to do a simple scene which turn on a lamp when a fibaro motion sensor and keep it on until the sensor return to the safe state.

 

I'm coming from HCL (only block scene) and I used to do that using two scenes: one for turning on the light when sensor is breached. One to turn off the light when the motion is safe.

 

My need is not only to have my light turned on when motion is breached, but keeping it on until I'm out of the room.

 

Could someone help me to do that with LUA?

 

Thanks

 

 

i have the same situation in my garage, i setup the pir as follows

after 300 sec sent save, and associate the light to the pir

and i think you can change the pux in ther pir setup so it doesn't work above xx lux

 

[cag014 731]

Sankotronic,

Another good example that simple association is just enough.

 

[Sankotronic 2,370]

Yes, I admit, you have your point. Anyway for that kind of solution there is no need to spend so much money on z-wave motion sensors and relays or dimmers when you can buy cheap lights with PIR sensor and then you don't need HCL or HC2 at all even to do association.

[akatar 208]

that's a strange point of view

 

i have the pir garage setup this way and i can still control the light with hc2

so if easy does it, why not?

[cag014 731]

14 minutes ago, Sankotronic said:

Yes, I admit, you have your point. Anyway for that kind of solution there is no need to spend so much money on z-wave motion sensors and relays or dimmers when you can buy cheap lights with PIR sensor and then you don't need HCL or HC2 at all even to do association.

You're absolutely correct, but... even if these two devices are associated in addition you can monitor the motion with HC2 - for example in my case ,when no movement detected in 30 minutes I'm arming the alarm. So as you can see I need the sensor to identify the motion in side my home. I believe there are more cases that you need the sensor, the light controlling is just one aspect of the sensor. 

I admire your integrity in this case.

Edited October 2, 2016 by cag014

[viga81 6]

12 hours ago, cag014 said:

According to viga81's post, he has this functionality with HCL and association  does exactly what he needs.

I agree with you Sankotronic that sometimes you need more than motion sensor to turn OFF the lights, but  you're guessing that he talks about some kind of living room with TV or some other appliance, it might be not the case.

For example I'm using association for all my bathrooms (I've five of them) and it works great. There is no any other condition that I need to turn off the light if no movement detected.

 

viga81 - I'm curios, what kind of room you're talking about?

 

Hi 

 

thanks to all for the advice. The association trick is perfect for my needs (limber-room and "walk-in closet room", which are both dark with no need to create advanced rules based on lux or other).

 

On the other hand, this is not applicable e.g. to my bathroom, where I've aldo the variable lux. I was able to do what I wanted with block scenes, but only with two separated scenes (one for turning on checking lux, one for turning off). I was looking for a unique lua scene, hoping to leverage on something like

 

"while sensor breached and lux>x then lamp turned on."

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

[cag014 731]

Here a simple scene with following assumptions:

Motion sensor ID = 45

Lux sensor ID = 46

Light switch ID = 47

 

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 Changed device IDs according to your real devices

Edit-

Have added trigger verification

Edited October 2, 2016 by cag014