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Logic of manual control of FGT-001 - WTF?


martinpreiss

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So Fibaro, please explain me this. Why the hell did you make the valve turning it to CLOSE position to the LEFT and turning it to OPEN position to the RIGHT? Everywhere, all valves, screws etc TURN RIGHT to CLOSE and TURN LEFT to OPEN. 

 

REMEMBER: 

righty - tighty, lefty - loosey

 

Please please change it thru firmware, or make it reversible! This is non-sense!

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4 minutes ago, martinpreiss said:

Please please change it thru firmware, or make it reversible!

 

Ah! I have had a private discussion with about 25 FGT users and so far, you and me are the only ones who seem to have noticed - and care!

 

I have mentioned this to Fibaro: it behaves like the volume knob on a radio (clockwise = louder = hotter), but opposite of my old mechanical valves...

 

So I think a configuration option, for you and me would be awesome!

 

I am so glad, I am no longer alone with this ... feature :-)

 

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  • 4 minutes ago, petergebruers said:

    I have mentioned this to Fibaro: it behaves like the volume knob on a radio (clockwise = louder = hotter)

    I am so glad, I am no longer alone with this ... feature :-)

     

     

    What? What kind of logic is this? Is this a Radio? You restricting or allowing more flow of water thru pipes! It's the same as faucet, shower. It's a muscle memory in people, try to explain it to normal woman, she will just tell you what a stupid, expensive *abuse* you bought and refuse to use it. :)

     

    I'm furious. Is a design failure, it's NOT an INNOVATION.

     

    Please Fibaro fix it with reversible parameter. That should be few lines of code.

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    Hey guys, no your are not alone ;D but I almost never touch to it, but each time it's occurs, i'm doing it the wrong way :) 

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    Just now, martinpreiss said:

    It's a muscle memory

    Indeed it is... Like riding a bike...

     

    I am getting used to it, slowly, and I am surprised nobody ever mentioned it before.

     

    1 minute ago, martinpreiss said:

    I'm furious

    I hope you are not mad at me... 1) I am not from Fibaro 2) I confirm your observation...

     

    1 minute ago, Tony270570 said:

    Hey guys, no your are not alone ;D

     

    Ah! That makes 3!

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    Lol, wait till you see new Danfoss TRVs. I think they use the same principle with manual control as FIBARO TRV does.

     

    But in my case (personal opinion). I am actually ok with it as it is. For me, it feels more natural to increase temperature turning right, since i increase volume of A/V by turning right.

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    2 minutes ago, jakub.jezek said:

    since i increase volume of A/V by turning right.

    Yes, I used that analogy.

     

    I wonder... did you have ANY TRVs before this? In that case, you might not have "learned" it the other way...

     

    I am certain... reversing the direction would make other users unhappy. The only improvement Fibaro could do is this: add a parameter to reverse the knob.

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  • 3 minutes ago, jakub.jezek said:

    But in my case (personal opinion). I am actually ok with it as it is. For me, it feels more natural to increase temperature turning right, since i increase volume of A/V by turning right.

     This product should be NOT just for geeks :D

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    4 minutes ago, petergebruers said:

    I wonder... did you have ANY TRVs before this?

    Engineer, that installed Heating in my system set knob to one position and i control heating by controling thermostat (manually, since it is old thermostat). Which i will replace with NEST.

     

    So to answer you question. I did not touched my knobs ever. But i will check them, to see on which side + is.

     

    6 minutes ago, petergebruers said:

    The only improvement Fibaro could do is this: add a parameter to reverse the knob.

    I agree.

     

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    1 minute ago, jakub.jezek said:

    I did not touched my knobs ever. But i will check them, to see on which side + is.

    I think that might explain, why you do not find it "backwards" like I do.

    I am 50 years old... my brain is not that flexible anymore.

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    I was running into the same trap. But, seeing it as a volume knob is a good analogy to keep in mind… and it feels in fact more natural to me. That's probably why I struggle with water valves everytime I need to use them ;D However, a config flag to reverse the behavior would be very much appreciated.

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    @svaleb,

     

    This one:

    Please login or register to see this link.

     

    It uses BLE and next year it should be in Z-Wave.

     

    Regards,

    Jakub

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    @jakub.jezek

    Ok, I have two of these, fine but you have to be in the room or near by to control them.

    I hope for a better solution in z-wave.

    Fibaro FGT still does not work in Vera, and cannot be updated.

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    Ok, i think we are hijacking topic now.

     

    9 minutes ago, svaleb said:

    Ok, I have two of these, fine but you have to be in the room or near by to control them.

    Does not suprise me. It's BLE battery device. Connection distance is very limited.

     

    9 minutes ago, svaleb said:

    I hope for a better solution in z-wave.

    Sure, but it will still have BLE there. So it will be 2 radios in it.

     

    9 minutes ago, svaleb said:

    Fibaro FGT still does not work in Vera

    Then check with guys from Vera (MiCasaVerde). They need to do support.

     

    9 minutes ago, svaleb said:

    and cannot be updated

    It can be in Fibaro HC.

     

    If Fibaro policy is not giving firmwares of devices publically, then no one receives firmware from them. If Fibaro decides to give firmware of Z-Wave devices to someone, it is probably under strict NDA and person/company will tell, they have not get something even if they have.

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