Home automation by a certified Fibaro Installer

[Hman 1]

If I wanted to start a new company to become Fibaro Installer, what should be my qualification(s)?

 

I understand that you need to be a certified Fibaro Installer but do if we are installing the modules at someone's house (behind the sockets or in the ceiling etc) then do we need the following qualification:

- Do you need to be a professional Electrician OR Domestic Electrical Installer (which requires 18th Edtion, Part P and to register with a company like NICEIC)?

 

If answer to the above is YES, can we employ an Electrician (or on contract) who can do the physical installations and I can do the rest of the part, like scene creations through LUA programming etc and maintain the system from software side.

 

Please shade some light.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

PS: I couldn't find any appropriate Forum area where I can post this topic.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Hman
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[akatar 208]

Ofcourse you can hire people to do things for you.

I don't think that nice (owns fibaro) can actually recognice a fibaro module if they see one.

 

 

As far as i know there is no fibaro dealer in the UK? why not go for that?

[Hman 1]

10 minutes ago, akatar said:

Ofcourse you can hire people to do things for you.

I don't think that nice (owns fibaro) can actually recognice a fibaro module if they see one.

 

 

As far as i know there is no fibaro dealer in the UK? why not go for that?

 

So, either I need to register myself as a Domestic Installer with NICEIC or I need to hire an Electrician or I need to make a contract with electrician?

 

Regarding Fibaro Dealer - not sure about this but only other option which I know is to become Fibaro Distributor. Just wondering if someone here is a Fibaro Installer to whom I can speak with, please?  

[akatar 208]

Please don't forget, "fibaro installer" is just a name  invented by fibaro.

No-one cares if you are a "f" installer or not.

 

[Milan Takacs 22]

3 hours ago, Hman said:

If I wanted to start a new company to become Fibaro Installer, what should be my qualification(s)?

 

I understand that you need to be a certified Fibaro Installer but do if we are installing the modules at someone's house (behind the sockets or in the ceiling etc) then do we need the following qualification:

- Do you need to be a professional Electrician OR Domestic Electrical Installer (which requires 18th Edtion, Part P and to register with a company like NICEIC)?

 

If answer to the above is YES, can we employ an Electrician (or on contract) who can do the physical installations and I can do the rest of the part, like scene creations through LUA programming etc and maintain the system from software side.

 

Please shade some light.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

PS: I couldn't find any appropriate Forum area where I can post this topic.

This can be different country by country.

Here in Hungary, all the two answer is yes.

This is based on an EU directive EN 50110-1:2013

You can not do anything with electric devices until you are a certified Electric mechanic.

It can be you, or anyone else if you hire someone.

 

[tinman 1,070]

3 hours ago, Hman said:

Regarding Fibaro Dealer - not sure about this but only other option which I know is to become Fibaro Distributor.

 

Just wondering if someone here is a Fibaro Installer to whom I can speak with, please?  

 

i'm actually Fibaro Trainer, so one of those guys who can give you Fibaro training and certify you as installer, which i do only on request in english.

However, you can join at HQ english training -> 

Please login or register to see this link.

 

 

The benefit for certified installer:

- listed in your country as "where to buy". You can be listed as installer, dealer, distributor, show roomowner ... depends on what you wish to be.
- access to Instaler App, which is in Europe (ohh you from UK, anyway), is actually necessary to provide some data privacy to your customers. In pirncple one "could" use customers admin account to do the job and ask to change password when you done, but every time you have to fix something, you will have to ask for password or to login for you. With installer app, i do request access, and the Home Center is showing in event log what has been changed by me and what by the customer ... less issues later, when something stopped to work and customer say "i haven't changed anything!".

Installer App will give as wel monitoring, so you see battery status, z-wave neighours/routing, broken/not responding devices, you can wake them u, you can even run disgnostics on the home center

- you will get access to Fibaro academy, with additional trainings

- informations about upcoming updates, so before your customer know about new version, you already prepared
- informations about upcoming products / changes, before they got released
- and yeah, when you call support (Fibaro HQ, english support), you will get almost immediatelly someone on the line

 

Generally you don't need anything to be good installer, but it give you some benefits to be one of them
 

Edited August 10, 2021 by tinman

[Hman 1]

Please correct me if I am wrong...

 

I spoke with someone who is already doing home automation business from many years and recently has become qualified electrician as well. Here is the outcome:

 

1. If you are just installing the modules to the existing wiring (and not altering the wiring as such), then you don't need to be a domestic installer or electrician.

 

2. If you are adding new wiring or making changes to the existing wiring or consumer box etc, only then you need to be a domestic installer or an electrician.

 

And he said, he has become electrician to give a complete package to the customer; mostly if someone is fully automating his/her home, he needs some changes to wiring/lighting as well.

 

The tricky part is to get the indemnity insurance which allows non-electrician (but competent) person to allow installing smart home.

 

So, in summery, you can become home automation installer without being domestic installer or electrician but if you are making any changes to wiring or consumer box etc, you can sub contract that job to a qualified electrician (until you become electrician). This is my understanding; please correct me if I am wrong or mistaken.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Hman

[tinman 1,070]

generally that's right, this can work like that (it works in germany), hower .. to not change installation means "everything is like you need it", which is not even the case for new buildings, unless you was in touch with the electrician to prepare everything for you. Generally, as smart home installer, you will earn more money per hour, than you have to pay for "simple" electrician, so co-operation (subcontracting) is the way to go for complex buildings, while for typical house / flat (here in germany not older that ~10yrs) you normally can do the job without modifications. But again, surprise is everywhere, so be prepared to spend sometimes 1/2 of your money for electricians. 

[Hman 1]

3 minutes ago, tinman said:

generally that's right, this can work like that (it works in germany), hower .. to not change installation means "everything is like you need it", which is not even the case for new buildings, unless you was in touch with the electrician to prepare everything for you. Generally, as smart home installer, you will earn more money per hour, than you have to pay for "simple" electrician, so co-operation (subcontracting) is the way to go for complex buildings, while for typical house / flat (here in germany not older that ~10yrs) you normally can do the job without modifications. But again, surprise is everywhere, so be prepared to spend sometimes 1/2 of your money for electricians. 

 

Thanks for the valuable input/confirmation.

[Milan Takacs 22]

5 hours ago, tinman said:

generally that's right, this can work like that (it works in germany), hower .. to not change installation means "everything is like you need it", which is not even the case for new buildings, unless you was in touch with the electrician to prepare everything for you. Generally, as smart home installer, you will earn more money per hour, than you have to pay for "simple" electrician, so co-operation (subcontracting) is the way to go for complex buildings, while for typical house / flat (here in germany not older that ~10yrs) you normally can do the job without modifications. But again, surprise is everywhere, so be prepared to spend sometimes 1/2 of your money for electricians. 

In Hungary that can be true too, but:

Only if there are an ectrician standing next to you, and give you a fast briefing about the dangers.

 

Then you can us the screwdriver.

[Martin_N 154]

@Hman

I assume you have a control module connected. If so, it's wrong. Use the diagram provided by Sjakie and connect the motor wires according to my picture from the awning manual.
If there is also a wire with the ground, connect it as well (earth).
SmartImplant will not be used in any case. It does not have sufficient power switches.
Although there is one possibility. The manufacturer will certainly have an integration module available that will communicate with the control box wirelessly. Then this module will certainly be able to control an external device such as SmartImplant.

 

[Martin_N 154]

I think that no one here said that he should be an employee of Fibaro. We are writing about three different people (they are not mutually exclusive).
1) the user
2) installer with electrical qualifications
3a) certified Fibaro installer without electrical qualification
3b) certified Fibaro installer with electrical qualification.

As for hiring Fibaro, it would certainly be appropriate to hire some of the GURUs here