New template of Qubino 3 phase meter

[Neo Andersson 230]

I have tried soft reconfiguration and hard reconfiguration too.

It seems that there has been created/added mor endpoints that before, or some of old devices remain and new endpoints were appended

I countred 43 enpoints

Some endpoints reamined even after hard reconfiguration

I was full lost in the energy panel managment, and settings, now it is even more difficult for me

I am pretty sure the new template is buggy. I dont now now which endpont to use in energy panels. I have gussed according to units that it should look something like this. But dont know what to select in Energy panel at all.

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[m.roszak 763]

In the new template, everything on EP > 0 is hidden by default and the device is configured as a single-channel device (Lifeline association is set as a singlechannel one).
No more updating values automatically on EP > 0 now.

Originally when the device was implemented model of the device looked like this (assuming that the main device ID in the system is == 5, the number after the "." is the endpoint number, x - all device tiles which originated from a specific endpoint):

5.0.x - summary data from all phases (hidden by default as with multichannel lifeline association those values are not being updated).
5.1.x - summary data from all phases - this is a mirror of EP0
5.2.x - data from phase 1 
5.3.x - data from phase 2
5.4.x - data from phase 3

Now it looks like this:

5.0.x - summary data from all phases ( this is visible now, lifeline association configured as single-channel so those values are updated by unsolicited reports).
5.1.x - summary data from all phases - hidden
5.2.x - data from phase 1 - hidden
5.3.x - data from phase 2 - hidden
5.4.x - data from phase 3 - hidden
5.5.0 - remote switch for controlling supported external relay
5.6.0 - remote switch for controlling supported external relay

The main reason for this change is related to issues with the device which in multichannel configuration can just stop reporting any values to the controller even if the lifeline association is set correctly - we got numerous reports about that unfortunately. 
We were trying to find a solution or a workaround for that but there is none or we just did not find it. 
As a typical user does not need to know meter values from specific phases and single-channel configuration works correctly we decided to hide most of the "tiles" by default and leave only summary kWh (production and consumption), summary Watts (production and consumption) and other values reported as an avarage from the phases.

Use visible tiles to configure the panel and everyhing will be ok

PS
Of course, it is possible to change the visibility of the tiles on endpoints > 0 and replace the lifeline association with a multichannel one if someone actually needs the data from the phases.
I am still not sure why Qubino designed this module this way that it reports so much (mostly redundant in my opinion) data to the hubs. 

 

[Neo Andersson 230]

As i am not familiar in electrical installations, i just know that my Qubino has been installed as following

 

1. Wires coming from Photovoltaic panels are connected into upper inputs.

2. Wires coming from the Main Electrical Distribution service is connected to the bottom inputs

3. Outgoing wires, that goes to house and fuses is also connected to the upper inuts.

 

Reading your explanation, i cant see where is the production part.

1. Would you be so kind and tell me which device should be selected in which energyppanel dropdown in my case?

 

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2.Am i using the correct type? (the right side setup or the left side setup should i use)

 

 

 

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[m.roszak 763]

14 minutes ago, Neo Andersson said:

1. Wires coming from Photovoltaic panels are connected into upper inputs.

2. Wires coming from the Main Electrical Distribution service is connected to the bottom inputs

3. Outgoing wires, that goes to house and fuses is also connected to the upper inuts.

The qubino:

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Measures energy flowing up (red) as consumption and flowing down (green) as production and this is how it reports it to the hub.
If what you say is true you are actually measuring the energy balance with the grid.

So, in your case:

2268.0.0 - grid import/consumption (kWh)
2268.0.4 - grid export/production (kWh)
2268.0.2 - grid import/consumption (W)
2268.0.6 - grid export/production (W)

To make the panel work correctly you need also select production meters that measure directly kWh and W produced by the inverter - I am assuming that your inverter is integrated so you will take those devices from a QuickApp


PS 
If you do not have actual production data from the inverter available you can use the other configuration - whole consumption.
The problem with this one will be that you won't measure self-consumption that way.
 

[Neo Andersson 230]

2 minutes ago, m.roszak said:

The qubino:

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Measures energy flowing up (red) as consumption and flowing down (green) as production and this is how it reports it to the hub.
If what you say is true you are actually measuring the energy balance with the grid.

So, in your case:

2268.0.0 - grid import/consumption (kWh)
2268.0.4 - grid export/production (kWh)
2268.0.2 - grid import/consumption (W)
2268.0.6 - grid export/production (W)

To make the panel work correctly you need also select production meters that measure directly kWh and W produced by the inverter and W  - I am assuming that your inverter is integrated so you will take those devices from a QuickApp
 

No, my inverter is not integrated, as i could not find any working QA for my inverter Huawei. So does that mean, that i am not able to see my numbers? Even if only balances?

[m.roszak 763]

You can, but as stated in PS - you won't see the energy that you are self-consuming as this energy does not flow through the meter.
If you are producing the energy and consuming it at home at the same time it just does not go thru the Qubino. 

You can always mount another Qubino between the inverter and the existing Qubino, then you will measure only production with the second unit. 

As for Huawei, yes - it is tricky as there is no common integration for them unfortunately. 
 

[Neo Andersson 230]

Hopefully one day Fibaro will offer support for third party devices. Not only inverters, but everything. We have wifi suppport in HC3, but actually there is next to nothing that can be used apart from Tedee lock quickapp (that is working for now) and a very few other.

Anyway, thanks for all the help.

[jakub.jezek 370]

16 hours ago, Neo Andersson said:

We have wifi suppport in HC3, but actually there is next to nothing that can be used apart from Tedee lock quickapp (that is working for now) and a very few other.

Wi-Fi is just for HC3 connecting to your local network. I have in my setup HC3 connected to Wi-Fi and Shelly Pro 3 EM connected to LAN. My HC3 communicates via Modbus protocol with Shelly Pro 3 EM to gather data.

 

 

[Neo Andersson 230]

1 hour ago, jakub.jezek said:

Wi-Fi is just for HC3 connecting to your local network. I have in my setup HC3 connected to Wi-Fi and Shelly Pro 3 EM connected to LAN. My HC3 communicates via Modbus protocol with Shelly Pro 3 EM to gather data.

 

 

I know that there is the possibility to connect to wifi devices, but there is very little ready to use quickapps. Your case is a bit different, as you are using modbus protocol, but i am talking about simple wifi base API oriented qiockapps to connect to brands that offers REST API connections.

In Homey there are hundreds, in Hubitat even more..so that is what i am pointing at. The community there created a lot of plugins for users, while here we have just a small amount of usable quickapps. Tedee is one of them, and that is working i think because it is suported by Fibaro, and was developed by Fibaro developers (i suppose)

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[jakub.jezek 370]

2 minutes ago, Neo Andersson said:

but i am talking about simple wifi base API oriented qiockapps to connect to brands that offers REST API connections.

So, you want Quick Apps for devices with Rest API. However I do not understand Wi-Fi base API oriented. Its REST, It does not matter if its wire or wireless. Communication is the same.

 

Now regarding the plugins, I wonder who is paying those developers to drop such integration to HAss or Hubitat and how it is with support and further development or is there any business? In case of Hubitat, does gateway manufacturer start supporting those integration or developer?

 

 

[Neo Andersson 230]

6 minutes ago, jakub.jezek said:

So, you want Quick Apps for devices with Rest API. However I do not understand Wi-Fi base API oriented. Its REST, It does not matter if its wire or wireless. Communication is the same.

 

Now regarding the plugins, I wonder who is paying those developers to drop such integration to HAss or Hubitat and how it is with support and further development or is there any business? In case of Hubitat, does gateway manufacturer start supporting those integration or developer?

 

 

Yes it doesn't matter if wired or wireless...i badly formatted my words.. Just internet communication using REST APIs.

Regardig "who is paying them",...some of these plugins are created by users, some of them by the developers, and support?? There is a huge community behind these brands, and for plugins created by users, the support is proveded by them. Users to users.

Regarding the plugins that are created by developers, there is ofcourse support from developers.

Like if my customer has a AC unit of lets say LG brand, and he wants to control it from FIbaro. How to integrate? Or inverters..Or whatever that is not supporting ZWAVE protocol..How to integrate them?

I dont have the knowledge to write a program using their REST APIs, so i am lost. (In case of ACs i know all the possibilities, IR copy, or Modbus etc, but this makes the whole project really expemsive for the custumer.)

Yestarday a potential custmer called me, that he is thinking about ordering a smart home from my company. He has 27 AC units of 4 different brands. What to do? Thats my point.

I still think that despite of these disadvantages in FIbaro, Fibaro is for me sill the way to go, but the gap is shrinking for me too, as it does for many others too.

 

 

[Neo Andersson 230]

3 minutes ago, Neo Andersson said:

Yes it doesn't matter if wired or wireless...i badly formatted my words.. Just internet communication using REST APIs.

Regardig "who is paying them",...some of these plugins are created by users, some of them by the developers, and support?? There is a huge community behind these brands, and for plugins created by users, the support is proveded by them. Users to users.

Regarding the plugins that are created by developers, there is ofcourse support from developers.

Like if my customer has a AC unit of lets say LG brand, and he wants to control it from FIbaro. How to integrate? Or inverters..Or whatever that is not supporting ZWAVE protocol..How to integrate them?

I dont have the knowledge to write a program using their REST APIs, so i am lost. (In case of ACs i know all the possibilities, IR copy, or Modbus etc, but this makes the whole project really expemsive for the custumer.)

Yestarday a potential custmer called me, that he is thinking about ordering a smart home from my company. He has 27 AC units of 4 different brands. What to do? Thats my point.

I still think that despite of these disadvantages in FIbaro, Fibaro is for me sill the way to go, but the gap is shrinking for me too, as it does for many others too.

 

 

And one thing to mention...Not beeing people here like @jgab, (or i can mention some others too, byt JGAB is an absolute giant here.) a lot of installers like me would have given this up. I am pretty sure. Until he is providing this immense support here, people like me still have chance to find workarounds, to solve problems..etc

[10i- 2]

On 11/8/2023 at 7:55 PM, Neo Andersson said:

No, my inverter is not integrated, as i could not find any working QA for my inverter Huawei. So does that mean, that i am not able to see my numbers? Even if only balances?

I use the Qubino 3 phase meter to measure the power from my PV panels. API's from inverters are very buggy and not well implemented or documented.

So in your case if you use two Qubino 3 phase meters one for monitoring the main connection and one for monitoring the PV panels you have all the information.

[10i- 2]

4 hours ago, Neo Andersson said:

And one thing to mention...Not beeing people here like @jgab, (or i can mention some others too, byt JGAB is an absolute giant here.) a lot of installers like me would have given this up. I am pretty sure. Until he is providing this immense support here, people like me still have chance to find workarounds, to solve problems..etc

Their are way to many Ethernet controlled devices and brands on the market and even in these devices the protocols changes with upgrades. I do not believe that Fibaro or any company is capable to implementing al these API's. Fibaro is doing a good job to make a controller that is capable of connecting to these devices and delivering the tools to enable this. A supplier of a product is responsible of using their product and in this case providing a quick app for the HC3.

In practice you will see that you need a big community who are willing to create the integrations. As you mentioned their is this great community of users that are making great quick apps.

 

As for myself I'm in contact with Zehnder for an half a year because their authentication method is to complex to use with Fibaro (needed user intervention during singing in). Now they released a new cloud API to simplify this what is a lot of work form their side. We can not request from Fibaro to go through this process with every Ethernet connected device. If they deliver the tools and a stable system I'm happy.

 

 

[PSi 9]

Hi, 

I implemented some private QAs with API usage for Solarman and Tuya Cloud.

Implementation process is not complicated if you have some basic functions in helper classes like login/authentication and basic API calls.

The most complex thing is the logic and UI integration and has to be done for each device/use case