sporadic movement of roller shutters

[kandetvara 3]

Hi there,

 

I have the following issue:

 

I set up all my roller shutters with fibaro actors. The installation and set up was more than easy. I have not set up any Scenes so far - i just use the HC2 as a remote control. The Problem is the following - I let down the roller shutters via "PC" will say - I Close them via being logged into the HC2 remotely.

 

The next morning I do open them "manually" via the toggle Switches. Once I hit the "up" toggle the roller shutter will go up completely BUT then will go down immediately again - until it is completely shut again. You can then manually open it again without any Problems. This happend at different blinds to me several times.

I just don't get it - any solution?

 

kandetvara    

[kandetvara 3]

Thanks again - not sure what to do. I really dont't want to Change the Switches - that would add another 15-20€ per Installation which is really not worth it.

 

It is not that this makes the whole System unusable - but it is just another bug which makes fibaro another tinker product (and there are a lot of them out there). I like tinkering but that questions the amount of Money you have to spend on this. Well 'nough said - as Long as fibaro is not getting professional (i am still waiting for an answer for this issue for quite a Long time) it will remain a bunch of Cowboys....

[zaba19 0]

kandetvara did you try my workaround with waiting a couple seconds between switching? I'm just curious if it also circumvents the problem with your switches too

 

I would have to replace only 4 switches on my side (I found out that my series has both versions available - toggle and monostable - so they would fit visually with my existing light switches too) and might do it at some point since the cost would be only at around 30EUR total

[kandetvara 3]

hi zaba.

 

no i have not tried this yet. Very simple reason though - the Family is earlier up than I am

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I will try next time---

 

all the best

 

kandetvara

[kandetvara 3]

+1 Same Thing happened this morning again - I am at the end of my wits...

 

If anybody can help please let me know - I have opened a ticket at fibaro but have not heard anything for the last 20 days...

[kandetvara 3]

+1 happend again this morning. ticket still open at fibaro...

[kandetvara 3]

Ok – last and final  update

Problem is still existent and I can not solve it. Neither can Fibaro. Ticket was closed by Fib since they can not reproduce the error in their lab.

Assumption is that it is not necessarily the Gira toggle switch but it might be the combination out of the switch and the motor in the blinds. Since I do not know which motors I have (and I am not willing to open the case) there is nothing I can do.

So topic closed and slightly frustrated….

 

 

 

kandetvara

 

 

[dk00000 0]

Hi,

i was looking for guys with the same problem and i found it here in this forum. 

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i do have the same problem as mentioned here, BUT i dont use the fibaro hc2. i use the razberry controller with z-way server installed. i do have 11 FGRM-222 Roller Shutters with Hager toggle switches. in my opinion it is a problem in combination of the module and these toggle switches. it would be nice if we are able to deactivate the calibration modus triggered by the switch. is this feasible with a module firmware update ?!

[kandetvara 3]

Hi,

 

according to my knowledge there is no possibility to update the SW / Firmware of the modules. Fibaro advertises this Feature but it never made it into production. So no FW update possible. We just have to live with this bug - which is rather annoying....

 

kandetvara

[Sankotronic 2,370]

Installed 6 Fibaro Roller Shutter 2 FGRM-222, connected to CHL2 and after connection immediately calibrated using remote connection with Safari on laptop. I have momentary switches and it is working as expected. In most cases blinds are operated with scenes, but sometimes we use momentary switches and newer happened anything mentioned above. One push starts opening/closing, another push stops movement.

 

I suggest that using momentary switches is much better than toggle ones. Is it really problem to replace them?

[kandetvara 3]

Installed 6 Fibaro Roller Shutter 2 FGRM-222, connected to CHL2 and after connection immediately calibrated using remote connection with Safari on laptop. I have momentary switches and it is working as expected. In most cases blinds are operated with scenes, but sometimes we use momentary switches and newer happened anything mentioned above. One push starts opening/closing, another push stops movement.

 

I suggest that using momentary switches is much better than toggle ones. Is it really problem to replace them?

Hi

It is no problem at all to replace them. Just a question of money. I do not want to exchange in my case 21 switches with momentary ones. This costs almost 500 euros for making sure that the fibaro product works properly. It is interesting to know that it is the module itself and not the controller - which makes it from my perspective even worse, because then it can not be fixed via SW update of the controller

All the best

Kandetvara

[Sankotronic 2,370]

@Kaldevara

 

well, I am sorry but if you cannot rewire switches then either you have to replace them or give up on manual control of the blinds. Roller shutter is doing exactly what it is suppose to do with this type of toggle switches connected in the way it is now. This module when is used with toggle switches registers only change on inputs from opened to closed or vice versa. When switches are connected as they are in your case in some combinations of toggling you are giving both commands one after another to the module, to open and to close blinds and it seems that module remembers both commands and does exactly that, first opens and then closes blinds.

 

On your picture let say that left switch is for opening blinds and right switch is for closing. If left switch is in ON position, and right switch is in OFF position so that L (live) is through both of them connected to AB and you now toggle right switch, first you will change state of AB because you will disconnect L from it which means to module OPEN blind, but then you will close contact from L to AUF and also make change of state on other input to the module and give command CLOSE blinds.

 

To make this story short just find two normal toggle switches and connect one side of both switches to L and another contact to inputs of module like it is shown on instruction leaflet that came with roller shutter module and then try. I am sure that it will work just fine. Because then if you toggle switch to open ( and it doesn't matter from opened to closed or vice versa because module is registering only change of the input state) blinds will only open. Also if you toggle switch to close blinds you will change state of only that input on the module and blinds will only CLOSE!!!

 

I hope that I manage to explain in words. I was trying to add pictures but since I'm newbie I still have to figure out how to attach few of them. 

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[kandetvara 3]

Hi,

Thanks for this. I am completely with you in regards to this and replacing the switches would solve my problem. I was just saying that toggle switches are not working 100% with the roller shutter modules. The necessary "up" "down" "up" movement is triggering autocalibration. This is a bug which can not be solved. The only thing I am saying is that in my environment with toggle switches the modules are not working 100% at all times. I guess I have to live with that or change the switches....

Kandervata

[Joacim 11]

Are you sure you have to buy new switches? All the newer switches in my house (schneider) can be (and is if automated) retrofitted with a €1 spring.

[Sankotronic 2,370]

Hi,

Thanks for this. I am completely with you in regards to this and replacing the switches would solve my problem. I was just saying that toggle switches are not working 100% with the roller shutter modules. The necessary "up" "down" "up" movement is triggering autocalibration. This is a bug which can not be solved. The only thing I am saying is that in my environment with toggle switches the modules are not working 100% at all times. I guess I have to live with that or change the switches....

Kandervata

 

Sorry but I don't understand this "up" "down" "up" triggering and why is necessary? Is it because of the switches and how they are connected? This is definitely not a bug in module. I don't see any reason why should someone trigger this sequence except you because you have switches connected in such way to protect motor so that you can not press "up" and "down" simultaneously but now with fibaro module you don't need that kind of protection and you have to change it. If you can't rewire this switches so that "UP" switch does not rely on position of "DOWN" switch then there is one more solution and i think it was already mentioned here but maybe not explained?! Or you were too much persistent to continue use switches the way you get used to?

 

Change on module that you use momentary switches. Keep both switches in OFF position. When you want to open blinds toggle left switch for short to ON and immediately to OFF and blinds will OPEN because right switch is in OFF position. When you want to close blinds toggle right switch for short time to ON and back to OFF position and blinds will close but not open again. In this configuration you and your family just have to learn new way of controlling blinds and remember to ALWAYS flip desired switch back to OFF position. Change of habits is required which is not always easy

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[kandetvara 3]

Hi all,

 

first of all - I really want to thank you for all your help - I am serious about that.

 

@Joacim: No - this doesn't work. I know exactly what you mean and this would work with normal switches. I just would have to add a spring and have automatically momentary switches. This is what I did with some of my normal switches and converted them into momentary switches. Works like a charm - but not in this case.

 

The switches are "double" switches which block each other. Will say - if one (half) switch is "down" or "on" you cannot switch the other "half" to "up" or "off". You first have to bring the other half of the switch to neutral (aka off) in order to be able to use the other one.

 

@sancotronic: Your second suggestion might work – for me – not for the kids J. You are right – I do not have to do up/down/up – I changed my behavior J It only happens like I said if I act too quickly with the switches. Now I do it slower and the funny behavior happens only now and then but it is still not logically reproducible. Still it is a bug which triggers autocalibration in a very specific setup like mine. I know by now some other people who have absolutely the same issue. But don’t worry – I have found my peace with the situation.

Again thanks for all your thoughts and help!

kandetvara