Heating panel not working

[Flowy 36]

I try here because under General Discussions did not work.

I have a HCL 4.090 and the scheduler of the heating panel does not work at all.

Danfoss valves connected that work perfectly manually and with scenes.

How is it going with your HCL? (maybe HC2 works differently).

thanks

[Flowy 36]

topic moved from HCL 4.090 to Community Support.

Ops, if it is not strictly related to a problem in single FW version 4.090 but to the HCL as such it will be the end of that device after one month of life (aka out of the window)

[askpc 15]

Confirm that the panel in HCL doesnt work.My v. 4.091 beta.In event panel none since of temp change.Danfoss living connect thermostats.

Only scenes and manual set working.
 

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Edited September 27, 2016 by askpc

[Flowy 36]

I confirm still not working and same problem to a friend's HC2.

I think that approaching fall/winter all other people will realise it.

In the heating panel also Manual Mode and Holiday Mode do not work at all.

 

It seems a logic disconnection between the rooms and the devices. I mean that in the heating panel you link the room but then the related devices do not receive the signal.

I do not understand why in the heating panel you cannot directly link devices and not just rooms (as the sprinklers panel works). More complex programming means bugs introduced.

 

Very bad signal is the fact that Fibaro knows it and nothing is done.

[barend121 13]

In my situation the heating panel works with danfass valves.  Also using 4.090. 

[Flowy 36]

26 minutes ago, barend121 said:

In my situation the heating panel works with danfass valves.  Also using 4.090. 

 

Hi Barend, thanks for your information

 

some questions:

- was the panel already programmed before 4.090 installation?

- also manual and holiday modes work in the heating panel?

- have you done something particular to get it working?

 

thank you

[barend121 13]

I created the panel before 4.090.

 

from may this year i used the holiday panel (8 degree). This worked in my situation.

 

Did not do something special think. 

 

[Flowy 36]

so it worked on May, because I guess that the holiday signal to thermostats is just sent once (same as manual forced setting)

[JelleO 0]

doesn't work here neither...

But If someone can give me a good scene, I use this  

[Flowy 36]

50 minutes ago, JelleO said:

doesn't work here neither...

But If someone can give me a good scene, I use this  

 

hi Jelle,

I am forced to use scenes to control the heating.

It depends on:

- what type of house/apartment you have

- how many areas you want to have 

- how many time shifts you want to have in the day (example: 08:00 / 10:00 / 17:00 / 22:00)

- how many shifts you want to have in the week (example: mon/fri + sat/sun)

 

I can try to help you by knowing what you need

[JelleO 0]

Thanks for your fast reply. 

 

I would like to work with 3 zones:

- downstairs

- bathrooms

- bedrooms

 

there are danfoss LC on every radiator and every zone has a multisensor. 

 

The gas boiler has 3 relay switches connected parallel.  

 

I would like morning - day - evening schedule as Well as weekend. 

 

Option for manual turn on/off would be nice as Well. 

 

 

Thanks for your help

[Flowy 36]

this is what I am using.

in this scene four Danfoss LC13 are set to 10 degrees at 10:00

 

You can have as many scenes as you need during the day, and split your needs on the seven days of the week.

If you want to have an holiday control then add a variable and set something like:

Days of the week ...... AND Holiday=0 THEN .....

 

When you go to vacation just set variable Holiday to 1 and set manually all thermostats or create just one scene that say all days/week and Holiday=1 THEN set all Danfoss=4

 

I do not use multisensors in each room but I use directly the temperature sensor of the Danfoss itself. But you could add the multisensor as well, to me it was just a super extra cost not needed.

 

 

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[plutonium 5]

Hi Flowy,

 

can you explain for me little bit more your code...

 

Days of Week at exact time (""When this condition is met then execute code in bracket)

Then

(Termo Camera = Set target level 10C 0s ("" Set target level for Termo Camera on 10C"")

and

Termo Cameretta =

Set target level 10C 0s And Termo Bagno ("" Set target level for Termo Camereta on 10C"")

= Set target level 10C 0s And ("" Set target level for Termo Bagno on 10C"")

Termo Bagenetto = Set target level 10C 0s ("" Set target level for Termo Bagenetto on 10C"")

)

 

Basically what you did with this code is that you sent order for setpoint of temperature at 10C on you thermostats each day at 10:00h, and according to that thermostats will work with 10C as a setpoint of their temperature. Am I right?

[Flowy 36]

yes plutonium correct

(I forgot that in italian "Camera, Cameretta, Bagno, Bagnetto" are four rooms so four radiators  )

 

example of complete scheduler with four scenes like that one in parallel:

08:00 = 24 degrees

10:00 = 18 degrees

17:00 = 24 degrees

22:00 = 18 degrees

 

you would have 18 in the night after 22:00, 24 during breakfast from 08:00, 18 during the day while you are at work, 24 in the evening between 17:00 and 22:00.

Just play with hours and degrees to what you need.

Also remember the time needed to heat up your house. Example if you set 18 degrees at night and you want to have 24 exactly from 08:00 then you need to set it before, maybe around 07:30 (it depends on your room size, walls, windows, floor, radiators, ...). Fine tune the values during the first days of use.

If you want to separate the weekend just double the fours scenes into eight, do not select sat-sun in the first four and just select sat-sun in the second four with other hours and degrees defined.

[pnutp0wer 23]

Hi Flowy,

 

Why are you using scenes too control instead of the heating panel?? 

I just set my heating plan but I got 2 danfoss lc13's for my livingroom an dining in 1 room into Fibaro, But is it possible to select one of the lc13's for 1 zone? Otherwise both danfoss will go on with the heating panel.. 

 

Is it possible to connect the temp. sensor (motion sensor) in the heating panel or do I have to make a scene for this?

[Flowy 36]

3 hours ago, pnutp0wer said:

Hi Flowy,

 

Why are you using scenes too control instead of the heating panel?? 

I just set my heating plan but I got 2 danfoss lc13's for my livingroom an dining in 1 room into Fibaro, But is it possible to select one of the lc13's for 1 zone? Otherwise both danfoss will go on with the heating panel.. 

 

Is it possible to connect the temp. sensor (motion sensor) in the heating panel or do I have to make a scene for this?

 

hi pnutp0wer,

I do not use the heating panel because it does not work (= everything correctly set but thermostats do not change values when requested)

other people have the same bug

but I need to heat the house soon.... (= november)

[pnutp0wer 23]

14 minutes ago, Flowy said:

 

hi pnutp0wer,

I do not use the heating panel because it does not work (= everything correctly set but thermostats do not change values when requested)

other people have the same bug

but I need to heat the house soon.... (= november)

 

Ah ok I get it. But the problem with your code now is that if the living room and the bedroom will be <10c they will both be heated.

But if you sit on the couch till 22:00 it's a waste of money that the bedroom was heated up from 17:00 till 22:00 if you aren't really there right? 

[Flowy 36]

 

6 minutes ago, pnutp0wer said:

 

Ah ok I get it. But the problem with your code now is that if the living room and the bedroom will be <10c they will both be heated.

But if you sit on the couch till 22:00 it's a waste of money that the bedroom was heated up from 17:00 till 22:00 if you aren't really there right? 

 

actually it's not the case.

In the above example all rooms are from the "night" area of the house (sleeping rooms and related bathrooms).

Another group is composed by the "day" area (kitchen, dining room, living room).

That's why you need four scenes for the day area and four for the night area.

But anyhow you have the same way of thinking also when using the heating panel. In the heating panel you need to select the rooms you want to add in that specific panel and if you make the mistake of selecting both sleeping room and living room in the same panel you'll have both heated at the same time. Flexibility in both way of programming give you any possibility. It's up to you how to set your house at the end.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Flowy

[pnutp0wer 23]

7 hours ago, Flowy said:

 

 

actually it's not the case.

In the above example all rooms are from the "night" area of the house (sleeping rooms and related bathrooms).

Another group is composed by the "day" area (kitchen, dining room, living room).

That's why you need four scenes for the day area and four for the night area.

But anyhow you have the same way of thinking also when using the heating panel. In the heating panel you need to select the rooms you want to add in that specific panel and if you make the mistake of selecting both sleeping room and living room in the same panel you'll have both heated at the same time. Flexibility in both way of programming give you any possibility. It's up to you how to set your house at the end.

 

Do you have some screenshots from all of the rooms for me so I and maybe other people to can use them as example?

[Flowy 36]

11 hours ago, pnutp0wer said:

 

Do you have some screenshots from all of the rooms for me so I and maybe other people to can use them as example?

 

here above you can find the screenshot, just change rooms and times as you want according to your house.

That is very dependent to your house and your needs.

The total number of screenshots in my case are 24... a bit messy to take and upload here.

It is at the end exactly the same as using the heating panel, as a concept and logic behind.

Ask in case of doubts about your house planning.

[JelleO 0]

In this code, nothing will turn on/off the boiler. 

Even if I set the Danfoss to 21 degrees, if the boiler is not turned off when the room is 21 degrees, it will continue to heat and go up to 23 or 24 degrees.

 

I will contact support for the heating panel should work.