[SOLVED]POPP Electronic Door Opener Always ON - (Strike Lock)

[Malath 1]

Hi, 

 

I hope I could find someone who can assist me in resolving my issue.

 

I am trying to install POPP electronic door opener which is used to control doors with strike lock with Fibaro HC2.

 

The module is being included to the ZWAVE network fine and appearing in the HC2 as two modules, a door sensor and the door lock which is always set to GREEN and always in ON condition.

 

No mater what I do, the electric is always wired to the lock continuously and never goes OFF even when I click the OFF button in HC2.

[Nexus 0]

same problem for me. i returned to seller..

[PTM 0]

Mismo problema , alguien tiene mas informacion. Gracias.

[kroeatschge 29]

hi,

did you get it working?

 

I have the same and it is working. I connected it to the existing bell transformation which is DC.

Therefore used the attached scheme to attach it. 

 

I also struggled a bit with the installation but finally got it right.

If you are still struggling with it, i can make a foto of my installation and

check if it's the same like in the documentation? I'm not sure with the line coming back from the opener anymore. I might have connected it on the upper connector.

 

regards, kro

 

 

Edit: also the connection on the strike lock itself is important. I didn't get that right at the beginning. Mine required the two lines to be connected 

with 4 screws, depending on the supplied power.

 

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[Malath 1]

Hi

unfortunately I wasn't able to make it work. I even replaced it and it didn't work, then I gave up. 

 

I appreciate if you could help me with the photo. 

[kroeatschge 29]

ok. here is what I have.

 

I just remembered one thing: you have to include the strike lock in secure mode. It won't do anything if included without setting the option for secure mode.

Unfortunately I don't know how to check in HC2 if it's in secure mode or not. 1st image shows the relevant setting when you include the strike lock.

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I was wrong on the power type. Mine is AC Powered. Advantage of AC over DC is that the opener makes a hearable noice when opened (bzzzzzzzzz) whereas a DC powered opener does  only a quite silent click-clack. Visitors might not recognize that you opened the door then.

 

2nd image is the AC mode connection scheme. 

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3rd image shows the left side of the strike lock control. Same orientation as on the scheme.

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4th image shows the right side of the control. 

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Wires on the left are:

Black: live lead from power supply

Red: live lead to strike lock

Grey: neutral from power supply

lower Red: neutral from other side of strike lock control 

 

Wires on the right are:

blue: live lead coming back from strike lock

red: neutral going to the other side of strike lock control

 

hope this helps.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2017 by kroeatschge
moved images into correct order

[Malath 1]

Hi 

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Thank you so much for the information, it worked perfectly. 

 

I appreciate your help

[PTM 0]

Muchisimas gracias por tu ayuda 

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 , solucionado.

 

[Nexus 0]

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 it's possible to use like a normal dry contact's relay? (like fibaro FGS221)

i will use for activate/deactivate alarm, thanks

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[kroeatschge 29]

hi nexus,

i have no clue if you can use it for what you want to achive with it.

maybe the manual helps:

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Br

[danaeal2002 1]

Hi Guys,

 

I manage to include Popp door lock device in security mode and it works fine. However, I don't manage to utilize it within scenes. Is it because other devices aren't in security mode? Or is it due to the fact this device hasn't a template in HC2? Thank you in advance for clarifications,

 

Br

[kroeatschge 29]

hi @danaeal2002

 

missing Template doesn't matter. (of course i reported this to fibaro, even opened a ticket in bugtracker, nothing happened so far. But to be honest,

they have more important stuff to do).

 

I use a Szene to open the door. Note, if it's locked, it won't open for obvious reasons, as the strick lock only can pull back the however it's called door-holding-thing. Like the door handle does. It can't turn the key.

 

So to open the door i use this:

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Remember to set the id of your lock device instead of 50.

 

bR

 

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[Sankotronic 2,236]

Hello,

 

Does anyone know if this device can be added to video gate or to the linked devices that are necessary to make video gate?

Also I can see on drawings in original manual that there is one terminal marked IN, but it is not explained in manual. Can this IN terminal be used to connect push button to open door or it is there just because they had place for one more terminal connection?

 

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[danaeal2002 1]

Hi Sankotronic,

IN is a logical entry allowing the control of the door status (close or open) if such door is equipped with a contact matching these status. Than via the contact you may apply (+) potential from module power supply to IN. You have to validate control function for Popp door lock module and you will have a second pictogramme showing door status in Fibaro devices .

 

Hi Kroeatschge

Thank you fr suggestion. I'll and keep updated

[kroeatschge 29]

hi @Sankotronic,

the input you mention is a dry input. It's there to monitor the door. If it's actually opened or closed.

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not all available documentations mention it. however i found it mentioned

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Push button to open door would be integrated like this.

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Yes i think you can integrate it into an intercom.

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all the images taken from the above linked pdf.

 

BR - kro

 

[Sankotronic 2,236]

Hi @kroeatschge

 

Thank you for your replay and explanation. This device I can definitely use with my installation.

 

[matt1981 37]

im having an installer put in our new door these week from FIAM x1R electronic Doors in our home and it allows for an external button to be added.  ive been read through the thread and ive been looking into the popp door opener, but it just seems so confusing as it comes with extremely limited instructions on how to install it.  ive included two images for the wiring diagram in the install instructions for the door.  the installer said he would install it for me, but he's clueless as to how it "should" be wired into the system.  can anyone give any ideas of how i can go about this? 

 

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[kroeatschge 29]

hi @matt1981,

 

i read this here:

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I don't think you can use the popp strike lock here. If connected to this place and activated it would supply

the power it is connected to, to the cables of the button. E.g  DC/AC 12v.

 

If i get your second image right, you just need a device to close the circut, means connect those 2 cables to open the door.

 

I have no idea how to do this, as i have only rought understanding of electricity. Possibly a relais is what you are looking for?

 

BR -kro

 

[matt1981 37]

thank you for the response.  

 

i also noticed that too, concerning that you can't add power to either black/brown wires they are merely there to "connect" the circuit temporally.  ive searched online concerning the fibaro single relay switch for ideas, but i don't have a clue how this would be connected.  from what i've read, both the black and brown wires are dry and are only to break or connect the circuit for a specified period of time to activate "the remote open button."

[matt1981 37]

@T.Konopka  i've been reading as much as i can about about the Fibaro single relay and what it is capable of concerning dry contact relays..   Im not getting much information nor found much on this subject and i have received very limited help..  

 

to recap, this option of a remote button allows for a "remote opening button" to be added to a dry contact via an external relay via two wires "black and brown" that when these two wires "black and brown" breaks or connects, the dry circuit momentarily unlock or locks the door.  

 

the install manual mentions to not connect the opening button input (black/brown wires) directly to power supply source.  so this must mean these two wires are a dry relay contact.

 

The instructions state that to use a normally open button (clean contacts) as a “remote opening button”. The opening command must have a duration of less than 1,5 sec. in order to have the pistons and latch always retracted (lock stopped at “daytime opening”) provide an opening control with a duration of not less than 20 sec.In order to exit this mode provide the same input with an impulse with a duration of less than 1,5 sec.

 

i am currently without any ideas on where to go or who to turn to next to assist me on my project..

 

thanks in advance,

 

matthew

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

41 minutes ago, matt1981 said:

@T.Konopka  i've been reading as much as i can about about the Fibaro single relay and what it is capable of concerning dry contact relays..   Im not getting much information nor found much on this subject and i have received very limited help..  

 

to recap, this option of a remote button allows for a "remote opening button" to be added to a dry contact via an external relay via two wires "black and brown" that when these two wires "black and brown" breaks or connects, the dry circuit momentarily unlock or locks the door.  

 

the install manual mentions to not connect the opening button input (black/brown wires) directly to power supply source.  so this must mean these two wires are a dry relay contact.

 

The instructions state that to use a normally open button (clean contacts) as a “remote opening button”. The opening command must have a duration of less than 1,5 sec. in order to have the pistons and latch always retracted (lock stopped at “daytime opening”) provide an opening control with a duration of not less than 20 sec.In order to exit this mode provide the same input with an impulse with a duration of less than 1,5 sec.

 

i am currently without any ideas on where to go or who to turn to next to assist me on my project..

 

thanks in advance,

 

matthew

The Fibaro relay has a clean contact set for this and a parameter  for auto off after your 1.5 sec giving you the pulse you need to control this.

Its just the Fibaro switch 2 which won't work unless you slave another relay to give you the clean contact