Question FGS-213 single switch

[Reinhold 18]

I have a FGS-213 single switch and if i in the brouwser look at the settings of this switch. I have 1 master and 4 slave.

1 is for the switch and 1 for the device, but what can i do with the other 2?

 

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

38 minutes ago, Reinhold said:

I have a FGS-213 single switch and if i in the brouwser look at the settings of this switch. I have 1 master and 4 slave.

1 is for the switch and 1 for the device, but what can i do with the other 2?

 

@petergebruers words not mine but...."This is a simplification of the truth but "Master" represents the device as a whole, the slaves represent the different (sub) functions it offers. But then you may ask, why does a Fibaro Double Relay have three slaves? Long time ago, a device had only one function. Later, devices could have multiple functionalities. One of the slaves is the first relay for historical purposes / backward compatibility. Some old devices (technically: the ones that do not know about multichannel association) can only control that one. The other two represent S1 and S2."

Edited March 17, 2017 by Jamie mccrostie

[Reinhold 18]

You're talking about a double switch. I have a couple double switches and who also have four slaves, same as the single switch. I can understand that a double switch has s1 and s2 and i can switch 2 devices. But a single switch have 1 s1 and i can switch 1 device.

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

42 minutes ago, Reinhold said:

You're talking about a double switch. I have a couple double switches and who also have four slaves, same as the single switch. I can understand that a double switch has s1 and s2 and i can switch 2 devices. But a single switch have 1 s1 and i can switch 1 device.

 

But single switch2 (FGS 213) also has a S2 you can set up in a number of ways to switch remote devices and trigger scenes now since update

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 is that what you mean

Edited March 18, 2017 by Jamie mccrostie

[Guest Lode]

I think it's more a configuartion problem

I have a Double switch 2 and it looks like this :

 

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The last three slaves are for S1, S2 and the new device since 4.111.

When i open the first slave and press it my gardenlights turn on.

Gardenlights are in fact third slave.

So it has no use at all.

By reconfiguring the device sometimes ends up with two slaves.

I reconfigured it multiple times and never get it how it should be.
There should be three slaves for this device and not four or am i wrong here ?

Edited March 18, 2017 by Lode

[petergebruers 1,268]

Version 4.111 adds a yet another slave: a "remote control". But only if you include it on that version (or later versions, we're at 4.113 now), or do a "soft reconfigure" if you added it on a previous version.

 

The "remote slave" if I may call it like that, represents all the scene activation / central event and even older classes of scene controller stuff that your device can do. From the HC 4.111 release notes:

 

"Magic scenes for devices which use Scene Controller or Scene Activation - the ability to add scenes in the configuration of device supporting Central Scene or Scene Activation. Devices already existing in Home Center require soft reconfiguration, after reconfiguration you will have new configuration options."

 

So they don't mention the new slave directly, but it is a result of this new sort of magic scenes capability.

 

If you soft reconfigure any device that has scene capability, like Dimmer 1, Dimmer 2, D/W sensor 1 and non-Fibaro devices like Z-Wave.me Wall Controllers, Aeon Minimote a,d many other... you get this extra slave and you can then use magic scenes instead of Lua. 

[Reinhold 18]

I get it now. thanks for the answers.

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

9 hours ago, Lode said:

I think it's more a configuartion problem

I have a Double switch 2 and it looks like this :

 

Please login or register to see this attachment.

The last three slaves are for S1, S2 and the new device since 4.111.

When i open the first slave and press it my gardenlights turn on.

Gardenlights are in fact third slave.

So it has no use at all.

By reconfiguring the device sometimes ends up with two slaves.

I reconfigured it multiple times and never get it how it should be.
There should be three slaves for this device and not four or am i wrong here ?

Just tried this yes after soft config you get another extra slave

[Guest Lode]

4 hours ago, petergebruers said:

Version 4.111 adds a yet another slave: a "remote control". But only if you include it on that version (or later versions, we're at 4.113 now), or do a "soft reconfigure" if you added it on a previous version.

 

The "remote slave" if I may call it like that, represents all the scene activation / central event and even older classes of scene controller stuff that your device can do. From the HC 4.111 release notes:

 

"Magic scenes for devices which use Scene Controller or Scene Activation - the ability to add scenes in the configuration of device supporting Central Scene or Scene Activation. Devices already existing in Home Center require soft reconfiguration, after reconfiguration you will have new configuration options."

 

So they don't mention the new slave directly, but it is a result of this new sort of magic scenes capability.

 

If you soft reconfigure any device that has scene capability, like Dimmer 1, Dimmer 2, D/W sensor 1 and non-Fibaro devices like Z-Wave.me Wall Controllers, Aeon Minimote a,d many other... you get this extra slave and you can then use magic scenes instead of Lua. 

@petergebruers

 

Correct Peter but as you can see in my picture above there are four slaves.

Test = Remote control

Tuinverlichting = S1

Waterval tuinbeeld = S2

but when i open slave 414.0 and press the on-button then S1 (tuinverlichting) goes on (or off

I don't think this is how it should be.....

[petergebruers 1,268]

23 minutes ago, Lode said:

@petergebruers

 

Correct Peter but as you can see in my picture above there are four slaves.

Test = Remote control

Tuinverlichting = S1

Waterval tuinbeeld = S2

but when i open slave 414.0 and press the on-button then S1 (tuinverlichting) goes on (or off

I don't think this is how it should be.....

 

Your device representation seems quite normal to me...

 

The FGS-223 presents itself as a four slaves:

• Slave 0 = the basic function of the relay = relay 1. You don't normally use this one, but you can. It's there because that's how the module presents itself.
• Slave 1 = the first relay and the first switch = the same as slave 0. This is the one you use to control relay 1.
• Slave 2 = the second relay and the second switch.
• Slave 3 = "Remote controller" capturing all scene commands. Used with "magic scenes" (the "New reaction" buttons on the settings page)

I expect the FGS-213 to have the same slaves. In that case, slave 2 is for the state of S2 (there's no relay behind that one).

 

Does this help?

Edited March 18, 2017 by petergebruers

[Guest Lode]

@petergebruers

Thx for your explanation Peter but i still don't get it

I thought the masterdevice represents the module and the slaves are all usable.

[petergebruers 1,268]

Just now, Lode said:

@petergebruers

Thx for your explanation Peter but i still don't get it

I thought the masterdevice represents the module and the slaves are all usable.

 

The master represents the module.

For this particular device, the first slave is the same as the second. It's not always like this. For instance, dimmer 1 has two slaves: the dimmer and the remote. There is no S2 although the module has one... I think it has a lot to do with evolution of the Z-wave api (especially Z-Wave Plus) and more capable firmware. When you would use these modules with another controller, you would notice the newer modules have things like "endpoints" and use newer command classes. In the end, "it's just the way it is"...

[Guest Lode]

Hmm....i think i got it.....

And as you said : In the end, "it's just the way it is"...

When it's working as expected it's fine but i always want to dig deeper in such kind of things.

Thx again Peter.