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[robw 116]

Hi,

 

I just want to say Goodbye (at least for now) to all the wonderful people I've met here, and helped me over the years I've been using my HC2 and later the HC3. It have been wonderful to be on board beta testing UHAS for the HC2 and meeting all the nice people and @Sankotronic there. I wish you, all the best with UHAS, @Sankotronic! I hope we will see UHAS on the HC3 someday, it really was UHAS that made the HC2 shine! @Krikroff, thank's for your support on the HC3 with you Sonos QA! It made me wake up every morning in time to work!  @jgab, You've educated the masses here with your code for the HC3 - amazing work! And a big thank you to everyone else here who have contributed to the Fibaro users, kept the forum alive, and thus helped me!

 

@Fibaro. Thank you to support, who've always helped me when I had issues. I'm moving to another HA solution now because of the lack of features with your products and that the promised features for the HC3 are still missing (for instance ZigBee support). I have to tell you that I feel cheated regarding the HC3. It was (and still is), marketed as the "A true game changer of smart home market". That fell flat. I bought it for the better hardware, 433MHz support (that turned out be very limited), and ZigBee support (still missing over a year after the release). The HC3 still feels like a HC2 with a new UI, missing promised features.

 

I've not done much to help, I'm not a coder. I can read code and do a little bit of coding, but I'm not good enough to get going and make up a nice QA from scratch. I did help Fibaro on my spare time though, for free, doing Swedish translations for the HC3 UI. It felt good to help out a bit. I wish though that Fibaro took more time helping out their customers. The HC3 can be a powerhorse, the QA system is powerful, but you have to be a coder or hire someone who does the job. That makes it more difficult to use for the average user, and thus more limited. Yes, of course, using home automation you need some knowledge about it all, what the protocols are, how to plan a setup etc., but it should all be about making it easy to setup for the user.

 

I've got a Raspberry Pi 4B, a ConBee II ZigBee stick, and a Aeotec Z-Wave 5 stick (waiting for the gen 7 stick that I have ordered). I have installed a HA solution on it that is actively developed and has a huge user base that is also providing smart solutions, looks and support for the system. And, it is free. Now I have a ton of views, graphs and integrations that I did not have on the HC2 and the HC3. I now have a feeling that I can make my home truly smart, as I have devices that are not supported by Fibaro. It seems this HA solution and Fibaro goes totally opposite ways - Fibaro goes to a closed area, where only Nice products are supported and the user will be a reseller of their products with coding skills. The HA solution I will move to is open, geared toward the end user, striving to make it easy yet powerful to the user and also bringing a lot of creative solutions in a near Plug & Play fashion. A lot have changed over this last year, where it it now moving from the user having to write text files to get things going, to being more user friendly where you can do most of the jobs through ready templates in the UI. I can now consolidate the hardware, using only a RPi for everything, while with the HC2/HC3 I also had to have an AutomationBridge and a Hue Bridge.

 

I think I will keep my HC3 though. Perhaps Fibaro will change their ways, making it a game changer. But as it is now, they are still standing still behind the start line while the others are running their second lap. Hope this will change, competition is well needed in this market. I will still be around checking the forums from time to time, see if anything new happens and is released. I will probably from time to time, start up the HC3 and update it.

 

Again, thank's to everyone here! I wish you all the best!

Edited March 21, 2022 by robw

[Sjekke 87]

2 hours ago, A.Socha said:

Hi

 

Soon you will be able to test Zigbee yourself

 

Ok thx 4 the info. Better late then never. ?

[ppeterr 206]

3 hours ago, A.Socha said:

Hi

 

Soon you will be able to test Zigbee yourself

 

 

 

Well, not sure if i will use Zigbee...

 

I might be wrong, but i always get a "cheap" feeling with Zigbee. 

 

I'd rather see 433mhz happen.

[A.Socha 133]

3 godziny temu, ppeterr napisał:

 

 

Well, not sure if i will use Zigbee...

 

I might be wrong, but i always get a "cheap" feeling with Zigbee. 

 

I'd rather see 433mhz happen.

433 is only frequency. In HC3 and Yubii we use it for NICE products (BiDI and MONO protocols), so when you're saying 433 about what product you're saying?

[ppeterr 206]

1 hour ago, A.Socha said:

433 is only frequency. In HC3 and Yubii we use it for NICE products (BiDI and MONO protocols), so when you're saying 433 about what product you're saying?

 

Luxaflex powerview, Somfy, AC remotes, KAKU etc.

 

Correct me if i am wrong,  but i always thought that at first instance the 433mhz RF protocol for the

hc3 would be more open and useable for the above. Later on Nice an Yubii was introduced.

 

But maybe i am totally wrong

Edited March 29, 2022 by ppeterr

[RH_Dreambox 189]

16 hours ago, ppeterr said:

Correct me if i am wrong,  but i always thought that at first instance the 433mhz RF protocol for the

hc3 would be more open and useable for the above. Later on Nice an Yubii was introduced.

Fibaro will never open up 433 MHz to mainstream products such as weather stations, sensors and the products you describe.
This is also why I now have moved all devices from the HC3 to my rebuilt HC2. Now I am enjoying real and comprehensive home automation and I will not look back again.

[jakub.jezek 372]

16 hours ago, ppeterr said:

Luxaflex powerview, Somfy, AC remotes, KAKU etc.

@A.Socha, in one forum post, didn't you say that Somfy did not want to share Somfy RTS protocol with Fibaro?

 

Edit: Found it.

 

Edited March 30, 2022 by jakub.jezek
Found the post.

[ppeterr 206]

Well, its the somfy IO that is using a closed API. Doesnt matter for me, since i use a Velux hub for my somfy screens.

When i bought the HC3, i hoped that i could get rid of all the other hubs and devices in the electrical cabinet.

 

Why would Fibaro use the 433Mhz, other then for the NICE products....not gonna happen i think

 

What about the BT ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Ekenswe 23]

On 3/29/2022 at 12:31 PM, A.Socha said:

Hi

 

Soon you will be able to test Zigbee yourself

We've put a new energy panel in your hands, we've rebuilt the system significantly to handle the energy used as well as the energy produced

Scenes for the energy panel have been expanded

We have partnered with leading inverter companies to give you the ability to download inverter data into your energy panel.

 

We have resolved many of the issues you have complained about, made our software faster

 

We have added native support for NICE and ELERO devices which resulted in many improvements in the field of roller shutters, gates

 

Of course, this is not all and we will announce some collaborations when we are ready to announce them

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Edited March 30, 2022 by Ekenswe
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[robw 116]

On 3/29/2022 at 12:31 PM, A.Socha said:

Hi

 

Soon you will be able to test Zigbee yourself

We've put a new energy panel in your hands, we've rebuilt the system significantly to handle the energy used as well as the energy produced

Scenes for the energy panel have been expanded

We have partnered with leading inverter companies to give you the ability to download inverter data into your energy panel.

 

We have resolved many of the issues you have complained about, made our software faster

 

We have added native support for NICE and ELERO devices which resulted in many improvements in the field of roller shutters, gates

 

Of course, this is not all and we will announce some collaborations when we are ready to announce them

Hi, A. Socha!

 

Thank's for writing!

 

It is now 11 months since I wrote my good bye post and still no ZigBee, and no significant features that make it a game changer. Was it not about a year ago ZigBee would "soon" come? And I have to mention again, it was supposed to have it at sell start - it was announced to have it. So it was a blatant lie to customers, and illegal from a commercial standpoint as you sold it without announced specifications.

 

Nice and Elero products? I don't know if even it sells in Sweden, so it is not so interesting for me. And as you lock in customers, only supporting devices from specific brands nowadays due to different reasons, it is even less interesting, I'm sorry to say.

 

I'm waiting for the innovation, the "True game changer of smart home market" as Fibaro wrote. I'm sure I can speak for most people here when I say that the HC3 is far, far from being a true game changer. In fact, it is still not where it was supposed to be at launch!

 

Again, I do hope the HC3 will someday be where it was supposed to be at launch. And then after that, getting more welcomed features bringing it forward. But it looks to be a long, long wait.

 

The best to you all!

[Ekenswe 23]

1 hour ago, robw said:

Hi, A. Socha!

 

Thank's for writing!

 

It is now 11 months since I wrote my good bye post and still no ZigBee, and no significant features that make it a game changer. Was it not about a year ago ZigBee would "soon" come? And I have to mention again, it was supposed to have it at sell start - it was announced to have it. So it was a blatant lie to customers, and illegal from a commercial standpoint as you sold it without announced specifications.

 

Nice and Elero products? I don't know if even it sells in Sweden, so it is not so interesting for me. And as you lock in customers, only supporting devices from specific brands nowadays due to different reasons, it is even less interesting, I'm sorry to say.

 

I'm waiting for the innovation, the "True game changer of smart home market" as Fibaro wrote. I'm sure I can speak for most people here when I say that the HC3 is far, far from being a true game changer. In fact, it is still not where it was supposed to be at launch!

 

Again, I do hope the HC3 will someday be where it was supposed to be at launch. And then after that, getting more welcomed features bringing it forward. But it looks to be a long, long wait.

 

The best to you all!

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Edited April 2, 2022 by Ekenswe
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[ppeterr 206]

@Ekenswe

 

600 euro. Uhm i notice a price drop here in Holland. You can buy it for less then 400 euro.

[Ekenswe 23]

Just now, ppeterr said:

@Ekenswe

 

600 euro. Uhm i notice a price drop here in Holland. You can buy it for less then 400 euro.

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