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How connect Satel B1 magnetic contact to the UBS


Krystiann

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Hi,

 

I am trying to connect UBS to magnetic contact Satel B1. I have connected Satel to input 1 and share neutral cable with magnetic contact, but ubs doesn’t see changes of state. 

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@Krystiann

Hello.
First of all, try only the wires IN1 (or In2) and GND from the UBS.
Sometimes it can happen that you get a damaged magnetic contact. This happens, for example, all of a sudden - the glass ampoule of the contact shatters and it can then remain permanently open, or permanently closed and will not respond to the magnet (this is a note from practice).

eM.

 

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  • It’s weird because I also check and that open sensor is working when I am checking by voltage meter when I put magnetic to sensor I see higher value. Maybe a problem is with parameters 

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    @Krystiann

    The approximate measurement of the voltage on the connected magnetic contact on the UBS does not tell you anything! You don't know the UBS voltage meter, you don't know other connections. Disconnect the contact from the UBS and measure its ohmic load. When the contact is closed, you must get a short circuit (0-1 Ohm, depending on the quality of the measuring device, measuring cable,...) and when the contact is open, it is infinite. I have already encountered a damaged contact, where I measured even 50 Ohm, or the value pulsated between 0-30 Ohm.
    After you measure the contact, perform tests with UBS just connecting IN1 (IN2) and GND. It has to work on its own. If not, look in the UBS parameters. The default setting is NC. When disconnecting, the action will be performed according to the setting.
    Do not forget that in some cases it is not possible to record fast events. It may be necessary to leave the changed state for longer than 30 seconds.

    I just want to make sure... don't you have a magnetic contact connected to the security system inputs as well?

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  • 11 godzin temu, Martin_N napisał:

    just want to make sure... don't you have a magnetic contact connected to the security system inputs as well?

    I have only connected to UBS, no others. 

     

    11 godzin temu, Martin_N napisał:

    The default setting is NC.

    Yes, this sensor is NO so I have changed in parameters that value. I am not sure that is automatically send to UBS(should be) 

    I am not sure about frame in parameters.. is BASIC_SET I am not sure that should be something different.

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  • 12 godzin temu, Martin_N napisał:

    measured even 50 Ohm, or the value pulsated between 0-30 Ohm.

    I checked and on (200 settings) I got 00.8, each of I got. 
     

     

    Maybe the issue  is type of sensor because this is magnetic sensor… 

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  • My charger is 12 vDC  3.0A , rated output power 35W

     

     

    Sensor data is 

     

    Here's the translation:

    Maximum switchable voltage of the contactor: 100 V
    Maximum switchable current: 500 mA
    Operating temperature range: -10...+55 °C
    Weight: 12 g
    Maximum humidity: 93±3%
    Contact closure distance of the contactor: 24 mm
    Contact opening distance of the contactor: 29 mm
    Magnet housing dimensions: 28 x 12.5 x 6.5 mm
    Environmental class according to EN50130-5: II
    Type of sensor (outside the magnetic field): NO

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    7 hours ago, Krystiann said:

    I got 00.8, each of I got. 

    @Krystiann

    I don't understand this, probably a language barrier.
    Measure the state of the connected contact (permanent magnet attached) and disconnected contact (magnet removed).
    I understood that you measured 0.8 Ohm. What condition?

    If it is a value for both states (magnet attached/magnet removed), then the magnet is damaged.

     

    The voltage of the power supply is in order. UBS works in the supply range 9-30V. The higher the voltage, the more it heats up. 12V is fine.
    This supply voltage has no effect on the magnetic contact (its voltage/current load).
    UBS inserts its own voltage meter, I think it's 3V, I haven't verified it, I don't have UBS.
    You haven't written yet how UBS behaves when you connect GND and IN1.
    Alternatively, insert a photo of the connection.

    eM.

     

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  • Godzinę temu, Martin_N napisał:

    If it is a value for both states (magnet attached/magnet removed), then the magnet is damaged.

    The value changes when magnet removed. 

     

    Godzinę temu, Martin_N napisał:

    You haven't written yet how UBS behaves when you connect GND and IN1.

    I added UBS and changed type of sensor to opening sensor after that i change parametr to NC.

    When I attached magnet the icon state is not changed, when I removed magnet the same. I tried to remove UBS and add again but the behaviour is the same. 

    1 godzinę temu, Martin_N napisał:

    I understood that you measured 0.8 Ohm. What condition?

    Right 

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    @Krystiann

    Oh my god...
    can you be exact?

    ...and the answer "right" ???

    what is it? I miss the context.

     

    I don't know how to help you anymore when I get half-hearted answers, or none at all.
    The value has changed... how??? how much does it show in one state and how much in the other state????

     

    I've been asking a few questions, does something happen when you connect IN1 and GND? Again I get an answer that I don't ask. First, cut out one thing (only the GND and IN1 or GND and IN2 wires).

     

    Last advice.
    if you connect UBS in secure mode, try in non-secure mode. (or vice versa).

     

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  • Okay let me explain. 

    I’ve check that with non-secure mode and secure mode - the same behaviour, never reached.

    NWI  always enabled. 
     

     

    also I messured ohms as you can see in picture.

     

     

    Sensor has been connected to GND and input 1 

     

     

     

     

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  • Another thing which is interesting… I turn off UBS and Fibaro doesn’t recognise that is off…  Maybe a issue is with some parameters… I don’t know. For me should be such simple as possible because this is not very sophisticated solution. 

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    @Krystiann

    Nice,.. a picture is worth 1000 words.
    According to photos, the sensor works fine.
    Do you have GND connected from the power supply, or GND next to ANT? It has already happened to me with SI that I had a problem with GND at ANT and the temperature sensors did not work.

    Then I suggest doing a UBS reset and reconfigure it again. Maybe if you set the report as an alarm (section 5).

    The question is whether UBS can see HC3 in the given location. Either directly or through the mesh.
    Move the UBS near the HC3 and test the function there.

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    @Martin_N

    Hello,...
    I will ask you an obligatory question.
    What fw does your HC3 have, which Engine Zwave are you using (2 or 3), what fw is on your UBS

     

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  • I HC3 lite near to ubs 1.5 meters. Tha how my connection looks like 

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  • I have power supply off and still in fibaro UBS is active 😅

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    @KrystiannOk, connection is fine.

    ... You can try upgrade FW on the UBS.

    If still run your UBS after power supply off.. its big capacitance in the p.s.

    ......

    @Martin_NI will ask you an obligatory question.

    What fw does your HC3 have, which Engine Zwave are you using (2 or 3).

     

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  • I tried everything. I am wondering maybe some other device from Fibaro can handle door sensor? 

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    Yes, he'll get better.
    It is mentioned in the first contributions of Smart Implant. I already wrote, it's a very similar device, only improved by analog measurement on the inputs and a couple of small things... I operate about 10 units of SI.

     

    By the way, you still haven't answered the questions... I won't ask them again.

     

    If you think your UBS is defective, you can return it to the dealer for repair.
    Or try someone else with HC3 for testing.

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  • 11 godzin temu, Martin_N napisał:

    Yes, he'll get better.
    It is mentioned in the first contributions of Smart Implant. I already wrote, it's a very similar device, only improved by analog measurement on the inputs and a couple of small things... I operate about 10 units of SI.

     

    By the way, you still haven't answered the questions... I won't ask them again.

     

    If you think your UBS is defective, you can return it to the dealer for repair.
    Or try someone else with HC3 for testing.

    Okay, let's summarise. 

     

    I don't have an available upgrade for UBS and I can't find the upgrade file t the manual upgrade. 

     

    I wrote a message to Fibaro support about help because UBS works fine (I think) but maybe the problem is with parameters but I don't have any idea who is responsible for that. I tried to do this in 11 sensor result the same. Sometimes the state is changed but if I add/remove nothing is changed, I mean state of icon. 

     

    I am not sure how long new parameters are propagated to UBS, and how be sure that everything is okay. 

    I am wondering if maybe the problem is in UBS which doesn't handle that sensor but it will be stupid. I can buy Smart Implat but I am not sure that will be better. 
     

    I have a dimmer or Smart Module(FGS-214) maybe these modules can help me. 

     

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  • I also connected by this scheme. It doesn’t work. My assumption is UBS is broken or is not proper for that use case with door sensor. 

     

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