FBS Binary Sensor and PIR sensors *Solved*

[amurray85 9]

Hey Guys,

 

I'm a bit of a wiring newbie, i've attempted to wire up a FBS to a PIR for my alarm system so it sits inbetween and passes over the motion detection to the FBS

Anyone achieved this or can give me a hand with a wiring related issue?

below is the PIR wiring 

If i wire it all up how i thought, it just doesn't detect motion and the alarm flashes indicating that there's constantly motion or an issue with the sensor

yet fibaro doesn't detect anything

i suspect its from the output of the FBS. The FBS has power so that is a start

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Edited May 10, 2017 by amurray85

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

4 hours ago, amurray85 said:

Hey Guys,

 

I'm a bit of a wiring newbie, i've attempted to wire up a FBS to a PIR for my alarm system so it sits inbetween and passes over the motion detection to the FBS

Anyone achieved this or can give me a hand with a wiring related issue?

below is the PIR wiring 

If i wire it all up how i thought, it just doesn't detect motion and the alarm flashes indicating that there's constantly motion or an issue with the sensor

yet fibaro doesn't detect anything

i suspect its from the output of the FBS. The FBS has power so that is a start

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Do you mean UBS?

[amurray85 9]

Haha yeah doh 

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

13 minutes ago, amurray85 said:

Haha yeah doh 

 

Its ok I was talking about a RBG instead of a RGB module last week

So you followed the fibaro suggested wiring drawings?

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[petergebruers 1,268]

I see a 3k3 resistor (orange orange red) between a pin (N?) and a black wire. If you leave that where it is, it probably fools the input of the UBS. It probably has to go to the output side of the UBS. You can try without it, but I think your alarm will detect "tamper". It's almost like the bottom schematic posted by @Jamie mccrostie, but not quite... I say "probably" because I don't know what N means here... Is it possible to get some technical documentation of that PIR? Or at least make a photo of the connector without the wires and how it was wired before you added the UBS?

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

Looking at your PIR sensor its tamper isnt wired or being used, so maybe if you put the UBS units at the panel end you can connect 2 PIR sensors to the one UBS

 

Rule number one take  a photo of how it was before you start  very important

As Peter said the bottom drawing is kind of right but for the tamper bit which as I said your not using

Edited May 2, 2017 by Jamie mccrostie

[amurray85 9]

hey guys, 

The original photo was taken before i added anything in. i wanted to use it on the panel side so i could use two but figured i'll get it going on this side first to ensure its all working.

@petergebruers will taking the resister out do anything?

this is it with the sensor attached

 

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@Jamie mccrostie @petergebruers i'm not using the tamper function on these sensors so i guess i can leave that out

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

@amurray85Yes you need to put resistor on output side of UBS so alarm panel still see it

Between the black and blue

[amurray85 9]

3 minutes ago, Jamie mccrostie said:

@amurray85Yes you need to put resistor on output side of UBS so alarm panel still see it

Between the black and blue

thanks mate, before or after the UBS?

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

Just now, amurray85 said:

thanks mate, before or after the UBS?

On the output the green terminals of the UBS between black and blue

Opps that was confusing try blue terminals sorry

6 minutes ago, Jamie mccrostie said:

On the output the green terminals of the UBS between black and blue

Opps that was confusing try blue terminals sorry

@amurray85Did you see what I added to this post

[petergebruers 1,268]

21 minutes ago, Jamie mccrostie said:

On the output the green terminals of the UBS between black and blue

 

It's not 100% clear to me but the picture is helpful.

I'd try this if the solution by @Jamie mccrostie doesn't work:

• Remove resistor from the PIR.
• Connect a wire where the resistor was, from terminal 1 (NC) to terminal 3 (N).
• Remove the blue wire from the blue terminal block (output of the UBS).
• Connect one end of the resistor to that blue wire.
• Connect the other end to the UBS, to the same terminal that you removed that blue wire from.

I say this because I think the PIR has a potential free contact, NC type, between terminal 1 (the original position of the resistor) and terminal 2 (the blue wire from the alarm panel). I might be wrong though...

Edited May 2, 2017 by petergebruers
Added: Connect a wire where the resistor was.

[Jamie mccrostie 82]

You understand the resistor is just there to stop someone cutting into cable to defete alarm so the panel has to see that resistor to be happy

if you have it before UBS, alarm cant see it and UBS is looking for open or closed contact so it wont like seeing the resistor either

[amurray85 9]

@Jamie mccrostie this is how it currently is

lol terrible drawing right?

 

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[Jamie mccrostie 82]

1 minute ago, amurray85 said:

@Jamie mccrostie this is how it currently is

lol terrible drawing right?

 

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All good but take resistor off pir and put it on blue terminals output of UBS, between the blue and black wire output 2 on your drawing

Sorry read output number on your drawing wrong should be output 1

I think I need to go to bed, its been a big day.

And my internet speed is substandered

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[amurray85 9]

@Jamie mccrostie does anything go in the spot where the N.C is on the PIR? 

attached is what i've got so far

 

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[Jamie mccrostie 82]

@amurray85Yep on pir  you need to put a loop of wire in where the resistor was

between the common and one side of the n.c. Contact

Your drawing was right except for moving resistor and fitting loop in its place

[amurray85 9]

sweet, getting there i'll add the loop in now 

do i need a N connection on the PIR somewhere? as its got power coming in but wheres it N back?

ignore the white wire, its the tamper wire that isn't used

i'm such a n00b right now lol

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[Jamie mccrostie 82]

4 minutes ago, amurray85 said:

sweet, getting there i'll add the loop in now 

do i need a N connection on the PIR somewhere? as its got power coming in but wheres it N back?

ignore the white wire, its the tamper wire that isn't used

i'm such a n00b right now lol

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Just between us a Neutral is on a AC circuit, yes it needs a common or Negitave wire DC which looking back at your first drawing is the black alarm core

So another loop for that 

And dont forget the last loop another common wire where your resistor use to be

@amurray85 is it a runner? The suspence is killing me

[amurray85 9]

21 minutes ago, Jamie mccrostie said:

Just between us a Neutral is on a AC circuit, yes it needs a common or Negitave wire DC which looking back at your first drawing is the black alarm core

ok so its all hooked up and fibaro detects the motion  but the alarm system isnt registering the motion

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[petergebruers 1,268]

Almost there!

 

Did you try to put the resistor in series with the blue wire? Remove the resistor from the blue terminal block. Next, remove the blue wire from the blue terminal block (output of the UBS). Connect one end of the resistor to that blue wire. Connect the other end to the UBS, to the same terminal that you removed that blue wire from.

 

It won't damage anything, worst case it simply doesn't work.