New Fibaro Motion/Multi Sensor - when will it be available?

[riemers 20]

So my question is answered:

8. PIR SENSOR OPERATING MODE

The parameter determines the part of day in which the PIR sensor

will be active. This parameter influences only the motion reports and

associations. Tamper, light intensity and temperature measurements

will be still active, regardless of this parameter settings.

0 - PIR sensor always active

1 - PIR sensor active during the day only

2 - PIR sensor active during the night only.

Default setting: 0

AND:

9. NIGHT / DAY

The parameter defines the difference between night and day, in

terms of light intensity, used in parameter 8.

Available settings:

1 - 65535

Default setting:

200 (200 lux)

I say, this is sweet!

[TANE 12]

@Riemers..

My favorite option is missing..

I like to trigger lights when it's dark via association ...at daytime just send notification.

[riemers 20]

I assume you can trigger association when its dark. But sending a message on daytime isn't in there i suppose. I wonder what happens if you set this sensor in alarm fase or something. If a thief comes in during the day, and its too light, does it not trigger?

Funny idea's , but i assume it updates the trigger on the device once an alarm is set.

[Guest shapa]

The only "outdoor" mentioning is range which is for sure does not means anything.

Honestly, I think this sensor will not be successful, Aeon 4 in 1 still much better choice.

1) no external power (what a shame)

2) no humidity.

Let's wait for a second generation.

I've got 12 Aeon sensors at home and virtually zero problems with them.

[riemers 20]

To be honest, do i really need humidity? Does the Aeon also turn on the lights based on the lux amount?

[robmac 173]

The only "outdoor" mentioning is range which is for sure does not means anything.

Honestly, I think this sensor will not be successful, Aeon 4 in 1 still much better choice.

1) no external power (what a shame)

2) no humidity.

Let's wait for a second generation.

I've got 12 Aeon sensors at home and virtually zero problems with them.

Fibaro sensor has my vote. It is really nicely made, tiny and the colour led is a bit of fun.

Yes weather resistant and powered would be nice in a future version but for now I will be buying a few of these great little things. I think it will be a great success.

[stevenvd 51]

mh, Humidity is nice but more important would be to know the walking direction. They said it would have a matrix of sensors to detect direction... but not really seeing that on the website.

they are simply doing it by two sensors, haha well thats possible with any motion sensor....

It would be best if you would get a scene activation id for direction one, and scene activation of another ID for the other direction...

[hardik_hrc 1]

mh, Humidity is nice but more important would be to know the walking direction. They said it would have a matrix of sensors to detect direction... but not really seeing that on the website.

they are simply doing it by two sensors, haha well thats possible with any motion sensor....

It would be best if you would get a scene activation id for direction one, and scene activation of another ID for the other direction...

Yes that can be achieved with any other motion sensor but the functionality which Fibaro motion sensor has stated is that IMO later on you will be able to detect direction from any Four IR sensors but for now we might be stuck with regular motion sensor. Let's hope it comes faster though!

[Guest shapa]

riemers,

in many applications (like bathrooms, child rooms, etc) humidity is important. I'm managing fans and dehumidifiers with Aeons. Works fine.

Battery life is also normally much shorter (for any vendor) than promised, and in case of multiple sensors it will be really annoying "joy" to replace them.

Look at the manual - there is a "blind period" to save battery (!). I.e., in case of connected power - sensors reaction time is much better, otherwise you'll be forced to change a battery each few months.

Is it convenient or acceptable? No.

Motion sensors are vitally important for house security and automation.

I do not see any real advantages on top of Aeon 4-1 except fancy LED, which is also in fact will be also annoying in many applications.

" lights based on the lux amount?" it should be made on controller (and I'm doing that in Lua) - this is the answer from Fibaro (!!!) when I asked why they don't support this feature on EZMotion+.

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"2. MOTION SENSOR’S BLIND TIME (INSENSITIVITY)

Period of time through which the PIR sensor is “blind” (insensitive) to motion. After this time period the PIR sensor will be again able to detect motion. The longer the insensitivity period, the longer the battery life. If the sensor is required to detect motion quickly, the time period may be shortened. The time of insensitivity should be shorter that the time period set in parameter"

Wonderful.

[topolino 0]

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It doesn't mention if it worked after this test.

The question in this thread is when the sensor will be available. It looks like it's going to be very soon.

The real question is: When will this sensor, the smoke sensor and the flood sensor start to work as advertised? They are all dependant on v4.0 which seems to be highly unstable judging by the comments from the testers. My guess is that it will be unwise to install the first verison because of bugs and stability issues, so the true answer is probably that these devices will not be fully functioning for a few months.

[Guest shapa]

topolino,

There are hardware issues also. I replaced one Fibaro smoke sensor already.

[topolino 0]

I know, I have tested two smoke sensors at home that did not make any sound at all when exposed to heavy smoke, and only a simple push message to my phone after much too long - the same message that comes when the tamper button is released. I have also read somewhere that the smoke sensor is not EU certified because the alarm sound is too low.

Smoke sensors that don't sound the alarm, and motion sensors that don't alert you of burglars at night. Not very convincing.

It's unfortunately too late for me to return the entire system, but I will cancel the order for motion sensors and return the smoke sensors.

I was about to recommend this system to several of my friends, but now I feel that I'm part of a very expensive beta program with a system that's nowhere near stable or trustable.

There is a huge gap between Fibaro's self confidence and the performance of the products.

Smoke sensors don't work and Fibaro boasting with images like this really says it all:

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This has got to be an evil kid from a horror movie.

[riemers 20]

@shapa: sure in a bathroom/kids room i can understand, but my main thing i want it to do is detect motion.

Regarding the:

"2. MOTION SENSOR’S BLIND TIME (INSENSITIVITY)

Period of time through which the PIR sensor is “blind” (insensitive) to motion. After this time period the PIR sensor will be again able to detect motion. The longer the insensitivity period, the longer the battery life. If the sensor is required to detect motion quickly, the time period may be shortened. The time of insensitivity should be shorter that the time period set in parameter"

From what i read, this just means that it wont send another "motion detected" within xx time of the last trigger.

Most sensors do this too, i've got those hsm100 from homeseer which do the same thing. They trigger and it will take some time before they trigger again..

In the end i think its just a matter of "waiting for the product/reviews" to see if it has enough value for "us"

[Brick 13]

Most sensors do this too, i've got those hsm100 from homeseer which do the same thing. They trigger and it will take some time before they trigger again..

That's right, from my experience with AEON 4-1 that time is fixed to around 9-10 secs, and it is not configurable. Fibaro just adds the option to change this time.

But, anyhow, I do prefer the DC power specially when a fast response is required.

According to what we already know, this module will be suitable for certain simple scenarios, like stairs or hallway light switching, with no need of complicated lua logic, where we can take advantage of the configurable parameters (day/night, pulse counter and window time, led...). For other scenarios in rooms where lights, fans or other devices are involved, it will be necessary to develop scenes to match our requirements.

[Guest shapa]

"Most sensors do this too, " not in case of DC power connected (and sensor understands that there is no need to save power)

That's why my main complain is about DC power option. Fibaro motion sensor is (more or less) worthless without it. And it is not just about connected power (which could be connected via wiring / dumb battery / etc), but proper support in the firmware - battery (with power saving) and DC (maximum performance).

Brick,

+1. Only simple / basic scenarios.

Do not see any advantage except fancy LED.

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topolino,

Use Nest smoke sensors. In short - they are excellent, and can be retrofitted using 220-240V power (excellent choice). I've got 6 of them. Wired (220) and battery powered.

Nearly instantaneous reaction, loud (very) alarm + voice notifications (i.e. "fire in the living room"), easy to shut off in case of false-alarm (just wave your hand), rock-solid wireless interconnection, etc.

Fibaro sensors are just a rubbish in comparison to.

...

Overall, it looks like that Fibaro is not doing any marketing research and their idea to hide all information can simply kill them.

Latest HW products are mixed bag - HCL is very good, but Fire alarm is dangerous to use and has critical hardware design flaws. The same about motion sensor.

In case of any open discussion / vote it could be much easier to understand what real customers like to see.

[Valken 0]

Good Day Fibaromites!

I am still a newbie here (Getting my HC2 next week) I have read the last couple of threads and i am now very indecisive! I was originally going to get the Aeon Labs 4in1 sensor. Want to use it for presence (Turn lights on when in room and off when not in room) and the other standard features.

Then i saw the new Fibaro sensor (Looks really good)

And then i read all the comments????

Do you guys really think the Aeon Labs 4in1 is better? I can understand the issue with the lack of the power (Battery Only) on the Fibaro sensor, but what is the real performance difference with the Aeon Labs 4in1 on power and Fibaro one on batteries?

"Brick" mentioned Fast response on powered units. What fast response are you guys talking about and what does that mean in a real world scenario.

Personally on paper the features of the new Fibaro sensor looks good. Changing color of eye depending on temperature, Knowing its state by just looking at the current color the sensor displays, the small size and then i would think that because it is made by Fibaro there shouldn't be any compatibility issues with it on HC2? Unlike what i read on other forums on issues with the Aeon Labs 4in1? Is this true?

Any help or suggestions will be highly appreciated as i need to finalize my order and need to decide between the New Fibaro and old Aeon Labs 4in1

Ps: The Humidity sensor on Aeon and the accellerometer on the Fibaro does not add value to me.

Then i just like to mention i am from South Africa.

Tnx

[Lauri 6]

For my experience, then AEOTEC 4-1 sensors are highly unrealiable for false alarms and other problems. Mostly I am annoyed about the delay. I have one installed in my bathroom to turn on lights, and I can almost close the door before lights go on. EZMotion 3-1 sensor was responding immediately but other motion sensor I have used, have about 1-2sec delay. I hope Fibaro sensor reacts fast and do not give false alarms (nobody is near sensor and it breaches alarm).

I am really waiting for the Fibaro sensors and the battery power is no problem - when needed I can wire it. Yes, it would be very nice to have simple solution to add dc power option, but this is not something I'm unhappy about.

I have had very very much problems with AEOTEC 4-1 sensors in different houses so I would not like to deal with them any more..

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[Brick 13]

Valken,

First of all let me say that if reaction speed is the prime criterion to select a motion sensor, consider to use wired devices. According to my own tests, the slowest wired sensor will be faster than the fastest wireless one.

With regard to powering, this does not affect directly to the speed, but if you need a faster polling and consequently adjust the relevant parameters to perform accordingly, you'd rather use a DC powered guy or be ready to stock some boxes of batteries...

The AEON 4-1 can be dc powered, but the motion reaction is still limited to aprox. 10 secs., which might be sufficient for most applications. The lux sensor refreshing period is also adjustable through param. 111, but I have noticed that if you set that parameter below 20/30 secs, the sensor behaves abnormally (look for "schizophrenic bahaviour" in other threds in this forum).

Furthermore, as you already pointed out, AEON may show some compatibility issues with HC2 (and mobile apps) that Fibaro sensor should not.

Again, i honestly think that in this case there's no "one size fits all". I am far from being happy with AEON module relialability thus I'll give a try to Fibaro's module as soon as it is available although it might not cope with 100% of my willings.

[Valken 0]

Thank you guys.

@Brick - Thank you for the input! wrt the reaction time limited to 10sec on the AEON 4-1, is the the same setting that can now be adjusted on the new Fibaro sensor?

So at this point it seems that it will be trial and error with the new Fibaro sensor?

So in the end it would be worth it to try the new Fibaro Sensor as apposed to the AEON 4-1?

[topolino 0]

Use Nest smoke sensors. In short - they are excellent, and can be retrofitted using 220-240V power (excellent choice). I've got 6 of them. Wired (220) and battery powered.

Nearly instantaneous reaction, loud (very) alarm + voice notifications (i.e. "fire in the living room"), easy to shut off in case of false-alarm (just wave your hand), rock-solid wireless interconnection, etc.

Thank you for this tip. I have heard great things about Nest, but I wasn't sure if they were compatible or available in europe yet. Now I think I'll return the smoke sensors that didn't fire an alert and order some Nests instead.

I just found this product from a more high-end system. I wonder who's ripped of who's design..

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