New Fibaro Motion/Multi Sensor - when will it be available?

[riemers 20]

I don't want to sound like a party pooper, but as far as i know this topic was about the multisensor and the thoughts about it. If we just talk about how bad items are here , then maybe it should warent a new topic.

[topolino 0]

I partly agree. But the Nest is actually quite relevant for this discussion since it features motion sensors, and it can be wired.

[Brick 13]

Thank you guys.

@Brick - Thank you for the input! wrt the reaction time limited to 10sec on the AEON 4-1, is the the same setting that can now be adjusted on the new Fibaro sensor?

So at this point it seems that it will be trial and error with the new Fibaro sensor?

So in the end it would be worth it to try the new Fibaro Sensor as apposed to the AEON 4-1?

Well, in fact the 10 secs time is also configurable in the AEON (param Nr.3) but I would't change the 10 secs default value because I fear to get the same strange behaviour as resulted reducing parameter 111 for the rest of the built-in sensors.

I particularly like the ability to adjust the sensitivity counter (in terms of number of breaches) and time window that Fibaro's motion sensor provides. That would help fine tuning the modules, that may require different adjustments depending on the environment and scenarios. It should give the possibility to trade off between response speed and false breaches.

And definitively YES, this is a matter of trial and error. It always is.

[riemers 20]

@topo: nest? you mean aeon labs perhaps?

[ivan.ruban 3]

DC power is critical for me. I am so tired with soldering the wires to battery terminals on different z-wave devices. So it is a big dissapointment about the new Fibaro multi sensor - again the same story. Aeon and EZmotion multisensor has DC terminals by the way.

And the whole ZWave industry, common! Why not to use solar panel connected to li-ion battery? Like here

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It must be in every portable (non-mains powered) ZWave device! EnOcean is good at this (can operate for up to 48 hours in total darkness), but their network is not meshed unfortunately. It's sad that ZWave producers did not think about solar power. Fibaro?

For my experience, then AEOTEC 4-1 sensors are highly unrealiable for false alarms and other problems. Mostly I am annoyed about the delay. I have one installed in my bathroom to turn on lights, and I can almost close the door before lights go on. EZMotion 3-1 sensor was responding immediately but other motion sensor I have used, have about 1-2sec delay. I hope Fibaro sensor reacts fast and do not give false alarms (nobody is near sensor and it breaches alarm).

I have exactly the same experience. Aeon works fine in most cases (DC powered), but sometimes there are quite long delays between motion and the reaction. And (!) several times I had a case when there was no motion report within a minute, so I had to knock on Aeon device - common, I am here!

I was looking for a good motion sensor for quite a long time and hope that new Fibaro's sensor was tested before it was released. Several weeks ago I got EZMotion sensor but did not have a chance to test it. I also heard that motion reaction in this sensor

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works as a charm, despite of the fact you cannot change device parameters in HC2.

I was about to recommend this system to several of my friends, but now I feel that I'm part of a very expensive beta program with a system that's nowhere near stable or trustable.

That is an interesting question. Yes, I fully agree with you and I aslo often feel myself like a part of a big and expensive beta testing program. I would say though that the last HC2 version is very stable. Fibaro, thanks for that! But again - you never know what kind of problems you may face with in the next software version update. As somebody wrote on the forum - it is better for Fibaro to take 2 steps back and improve documentation and stablity. They have another marketing and business strategy - focused on income, but not on the quality. That can bring problems and dissapointed customers in a long-term perspective. But the strategy works most likely fine for new customers who reacts on fancy pictures like here:

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Anyway I must say Fibaro has best looking applications on a ZWave maket. What it the alternative? Vera? The interface is quite primitive. Zipato is a complete crap. I tried different products and still have not found the perfect one. May be someone has experience in HomeSeer? Any other system to take a look at?

[topolino 0]

Ivan, I agree that HC2 seems very robust. The uptime is great, and there are no crashes. The remote apps are not as good, and that's a shame, because it's when you're away that you really rely on being able to trust that the system is doing what it's supposed to.

As for alternatives, I think revolv.com looks very promising. It's supposed to be compatible with almost anything, including z-wave.

I know we're getting a little negative here, but I still think it's relevant to argue that the availability of the motion sensor itself is not very interesting as long as it is not supported by a stable software version. My smoke detector isn't of much use without version 4.0, and I suspect the same will be the case for the motion sensor.

Let's just hope that 4.0 is imminent, and that it will deliver and be stable from the start.

If anyone from Fibaro is reading this, I hope they take away one thing: When you make systems for people's safety, you just don't take it easy on making the product 100% trustworthy. I'm a designer myself, but I have to say that I easily place design second to reliability for devices like these.

[robmac 173]

I still think it's relevant to argue that the availability of the motion sensor itself is not very interesting as long as it is not supported by a stable software version.

I have had two running since the release of 3.590. Only one issue in that time and that was a corruption of the device info on HC2. Removed and re-added and it has worked fine since.

So they have been tested by users and I have not found a lot of fault with them. I know what you are saying about the smoke sensor but these do not have the same issues.

Yes a power connector would have been nice. I keep thinking that as Fibaro uses a standard battery, all we need is a plastic adaptor the same size as the 3v battery with wire connectors for power supply. Something to think about anyway.

[Guest shapa]

Brick,

In my home (12+ Aeons) the slowest reaction is about 2 seconds only.

The real trick is to include sensors with DC power _connected_. It detects power and default settings are different.

However, I can agree that EZ+ is the fastest one. Nearly instantaneous. Unfortunately, Fibaro motion sensors are rubbish. The same as smoke alarm.

robmac,

"with wire connectors for power supply."

it will not help at all until firmware support. Fibaro engineers are crazy enough to claim that DC is not required

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topolino,

what I realized - more common system - more reliable.

Nest used by millions. That's is. Owned by Google now. Can you imagine how many people dreaming to make money from Google? Burnt house? 500 mllion profit.

Hopefully (i really hope so) someone will sue Fibaro. And they will survive and learn some lessons. Fibaro smoke sensor is extremely dangerous to use. In fact, they will kill some people indeed.

The same as "motion" sensor - many burgled houses soon.

[robmac 173]

The same as "motion" sensor - many burgled houses soon

Not many issues from my testing and you know I am not slow at pointing out Fibaro's faults. I take it you have also tested to have this opinion. What issues did you find?

Smoke sensor is a different device and some of the issues could be due to the dual powering option. Dean reported that they behaved differently powered battery/DC power.

IMO Smoke Sensor should not have been released before v4 z-wave engine was working and I did not get to test it before release like these.

You always have very strong views. It is great and I enjoy your posts but sometimes I think you may exaggerate a small bit?

I also like the look of NEST but I hate being tied to an online account. Trusting an internet connection for fire and security devices. You have to be kidding!!! Makes them very open to abuse and as they are google there will be millions of hackers after them. At least with Fibaro you can close the system inside your firewall if you do not need the remote access.

[topolino 0]

Robmac, do you mean you have two Fibaro Motion Sensors? If so, it's great to hear that it's not as dependent on 4.0 as the other products. What is your experience of the issues discussed above? Does the sensor actually become insensitive at regular intervals?

Here's a tutorial on replacing batteries with an adapter. Maybe this combined with turning off the insensitive period would help?

[deanrparry 19]

Still have problems robmac... Two battery operated work perfect three DC two of which false alert on three different psu

[A.Socha 133]

deanrparry, You was said that you will send us that PSU, we are still waiting for it to check reason becouse we can't reproduce your problem

[deanrparry 19]

I need a postal address

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[robmac 173]

Robmac, do you mean you have two Fibaro Motion Sensors? If so, it's great to hear that it's not as dependent on 4.0 as the other products. What is your experience of the issues discussed above? Does the sensor actually become insensitive at regular intervals?

Here's a tutorial on replacing batteries with an adapter. Maybe this combined with turning off the insensitive period would help?

I have two and yes all basic features work. Lots of parameters to adjust behavior. No support for the tracking functionality in current HC2 firmware but everything works if your network is good.

Thanks for the link.

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deanrparry, You was said that you will send us that PSU, we are still waiting for it to check reason becouse we can't reproduce your problem

This is what I like about Fibaro. They are the hardest working guys. They care passionately about making it good.

Dean, I have one of those netgear power supplies kicking around. Happy to send mine.

[Dshop 0]

Any news when we can buy it?

Will be available (limited qty) next week.

Full mass production has started and a larger qty will be available soon.

In answer to an earlier post. Not suitable for outdoor use. ( the brochure is not correct on this part)

[hvb83 1]

I don't know how the sensor is built exactly, but wouldn't it be possible to apply a thin seal of silicone to the housing? Obviously you would loose reliable temperature measurements, but for outside I think PIR and Lux will be the most interesting things anyway. With battery change intervals every two years, it wouldn't be a real issue redoing it every now and then.

[A.Socha 133]

hvb83, problem can be with cold temperature on standard battery

[hardik_hrc 1]

hvb83, problem can be with cold temperature on standard battery

In countries like mine, i.e. India. Temperature might not be the real issue but the water might be. So what's your say on that? Would it be possible to make it water resistant?

Thanks

[fuuss 25]

I would use something like this , this works great and the water Problem is gone , nevertheless I would not put it underwater

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I would use something like this , this works great and the water Problem is gone , nevertheless I would not put it underwater

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Fuuss This is an excellent solution!

Thank You so much for this

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