Time for a change?

[AutoFrank 372]

31 minutes ago, robmac said:

oooo is this normal or am I on the naughty step? Pending approval?

 

 

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 @robmac

 

How come you are dusting this off ?

Can we write our own plugins and deploy to own systems ? 

[Lambik 194]

1 hour ago, robmac said:

Anything I post here is pure speculation. I am just a user with no access to any information. 

 

If/when it comes, if it still uses the same USB dongle mechanism I will not be buying one. A recovery partition is a great idea but not like this.

 

as to scurrilous and purely speculative rumors --- 

 

 HC3 may not be a physical fibaro hardware platform. It may just be the QNAP hardware with software module branded Fibaro. 

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Personally would be happy with that. 

Hmm, could be interesting. We'll wait and see. Thanx for sharing.

[robmac 173]

@AutoFrank

Well you always could it is just you can't expect to get support.

 

As I have been able to fix my HC2 myself for a good few years it really does not matter for me I suppose.

 

When I have an issue issue with a Beta I do offer to let them have a look. Now I can't offer them this service as my HC2 is now no longer standard as of today. In someways this is good for me as I can just get on and fix it and not spend my time helping them diagnose the issue.

Edited August 5, 2017 by robmac

[Sankotronic 2,370]

1 hour ago, robmac said:

Now I can't offer them this service as my HC2 is now no longer standard as of today.

 

Hi @robmac,

 

If I may ask, what do you mean by "my HC2 is now no longer standard"? If it is not for public can you send me answer on PM. I manage in this year and half to resolve all my trouble with HC2 without needing Fibaro support. I'm also interested in developing some plugins so I will really appreciate your guidance and help.

[robmac 173]

13 minutes ago, Sankotronic said:

 

Hi @robmac,

 

If I may ask, what do you mean by "my HC2 is now no longer standard"? If it is not for public can you send me answer on PM. I manage in this year and half to resolve all my trouble with HC2 without needing Fibaro support. I'm also interested in developing some plugins so I will really appreciate your guidance and help.

It has a non fibaro plugin on it. Not sure what side effects that will cause.

 

 

We will find out if Fibaro mind but they are staying quiet.

 

As you know how to fix everything you can work out how to remove any bad boys you create.

 

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 for docs 

 

follow some common sense with your namespace

 

use you favorite tool to call the api when you have a plugin. I use Postman

 

http://xxxxxxxxx/api/plugins/install

 

POST

 

two parameters that need to be set

overwrite value 1

file  value your zipped file of plugin

 

 

you can always go and get the fibaro plugins to understand how it all glues together

 

Enjoy and develop something brilliant to prove to Fibaro that letting us at it is the best way to stay ahead. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by robmac

[Sankotronic 2,370]

3 minutes ago, robmac said:

We will find out if Fibaro mind but they are staying quiet.

 

Yeah, and that is what I don't understand, why not reveal the truth.

 

4 minutes ago, robmac said:

use you favorite tool to call the api when you have a plugin. I use Postman

 

Thanks for your answer. I can see some action ahead. Now I have to decide if I continue what I started, or will change course. But I really want to be sure that it will not be in wain to do plugins and then refused by Fibaro. It almost seems to me that they are not clear yet what is the best course of action for them ?!?!

[robmac 173]

Just now, Sankotronic said:

 

Yeah, and that is what I don't understand, why not reveal the truth.

 

 

Thanks for your answer. I can see some action ahead. Now I have to decide if I continue what I started, or will change course. But I really want to be sure that it will not be in wain to do plugins and then refused by Fibaro. It almost seems to me that they are not clear yet what is the best course of action for them ?!?!

They do seem to be risk adverse. I think the number of calls they get when people break their HC2 has made them careful of sharing.

 

Even if they don't go this way you will be able to make something better than the virtual devices and scenes you have and then it just depends where they go next. If they stick with lua but change the framework it will be a bit of a refactor at worst. If they dump lua your vd and scenes are toast anyway.

 

Don't think there is much of a risk and as this is my third annual winge and still there is no news I am thinking nothing to lose. Other than the Aussies chipping in now that I have admitted that I am a winging pom

 

[alex88 71]

6 hours ago, robmac said:

Anything I post here is pure speculation. I am just a user with no access to any information. 

 

If/when it comes, if it still uses the same USB dongle mechanism I will not be buying one. A recovery partition is a great idea but not like this.

 

as to scurrilous and purely speculative rumors --- 

 

 HC3 may not be a physical fibaro hardware platform. It may just be the QNAP hardware with software module branded Fibaro. 

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Personally would be happy with that. 

 

So CEBIT in 10 days is when we find out about the QNAP integration... I'm very interested, however I was scouring the net and found people talking about HC3 back in 2014, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

Selfishly, whatever Fibaro do I hope it's before Q2 next year as I will probably do a complete rebuild of my system on the next stable release at the beginning of Q2 when the renovation finishes and I pray it's the last upgrade I will need to do for a LONG time, somehow I think I might be wrong about that, but hey.

[AutoFrank 372]

hi @robmac

How would I 'grab' a official fibaro plugin and peek inside ?

 

Thanks

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[petergebruers 1,268]

If you want to learn about Z-Wave, want to run an open-source controller software or design your own, have a look at:

 

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As far as I know, this project is "tolerated" by the Z-Wave consortium. They use reverse engineering because the official way (buying a Z-Wave SDK) and publishing any part from I that is impossible. The SDK comes with a non disclosure agreement.

 

If you want to develop your own Z-Wave module, for instance to drive LEDS or attach a bunch of sensors, have a look at:

 

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If you want do a custom design, you'll have to buy an SDK. How much does it cost? As the saying goes: "If you have to ask the price, you won't be able to afford it".

 

I have no vested interest in either products.

Edited August 5, 2017 by petergebruers

[robmac 173]

16 minutes ago, AutoFrank said:

hi @robmac

How would I 'grab' a official fibaro plugin and peek inside ?

 

Thanks

_f

Apparently you can not receive messages

 

and it will cost you a lot of Guinness as it is very secret 

15 minutes ago, petergebruers said:

If you want to learn about Z-Wave, want to run an open-source controller software or design your own, have a look at:

 

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As far as I know, this project is "tolerated" by the Z-Wave consortium. They use reverse engineering because the official way (buying a Z-Wave SDK) and publishing any part form it is impossible. The SDK comes with a non disclosure agreement.

 

If you want to develop your own Z-Wave module, for instance to drive LEDS or attach a bunch of sensors, have a look at:

 

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If you want do a custom design, you'll have to buy an SDK. How much does it cost? As the saying goes: "If you have to ask the price, you won't be able to afford it".

 

I have no vested interest in either products.

Now we are all at it. Has come on a bit since I last had a play. Fun and I may move my heating onto it so I can safely play with HC2.

 

Just now I am having a bit of fun with Fibaro plugin framework. It is good and so easy. If they would remove bugs from core system and stupid USB stick I would smile.

 

I spent 15 mins and I have subscribed to notification interface on squeezebox server and have all of the activity from players streaming to HC2.

 

Plug it all into the UI device heads and will be well on the way. Already had the server component creating a device per squeezebox and all  outgoing commands done.

 

May take a little longer to test than to write.

 

I had forgotten how good this plugins interface was. Looks like it could do with a few more UI components but other than that not bad.

 

May blow the config size when I start saving all of the scheduler commands but will be fun to give it a go.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by robmac

[giuse 5]

On 31.7.2017 at 5:27 PM, tinman said:

 

so? new background will make the app better?

 

 

It looks like Fibaro changed last weekend with an update the background of the Fibaro app (iPhone). Maybe the first step of a complete redesign or just a single reaction to this threat?

[ctyd 15]

i dont like the App and i dont like the new Background!!! why we cannot take a Picture and make it as Background? and let us delete the items we dont need and give us some timers so we can make a light for 3 hours on so we must not create a scene every time.

 

sry for my bad english

[tinman 1,070]

you don't like the background ? well, i do. 

 

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and create your own view / app. 

 

[petergebruers 1,268]

9 hours ago, ctyd said:

i dont like the App and i dont like the new Background!!! why we cannot take a Picture and make it as Background? and let us delete the items we dont need and give us some timers so we can make a light for 3 hours on so we must not create a scene every time.

 

sry for my bad english

 

I hate to say it.... But I predict... the more you work with Home Automation the more you'll find out that nothing is "simple". To make things really work the way it "feels automated" complexity creeps in. So I do not say you cannot have your "simple timer". But you cannot say "remove those pesky scenes and lua because I do not need this complex stuff". That would make a lot of people unhappy, not only me  In all honesty, you did not say that. But resources are limited so if Fibaro has to make a choice, between implementing a simple timer, adding a background and for instance "re-enabling user plugins", my vote goes to plugins. I think you are asking this because you are new to home automation, am I right? This is certainly not meant as an insult, it is merely an observation.

 

For instance: a "simple motion script". We ALL (sorry, if you do not agree with me, consider this to be pluralis majestatis) think this motion script (*) is very simple, when we start with HA.

 

In the kitchen I want the light to turn on and off automatically.

 

Simple version: motion sensor breached: turn on light. Motion sensor safe: turn off light. You can do it without programming using graphic scene. It's not a timer, like you say, but I think it is closely related and you will find plenty of information on this forum. It is a popular topic.

 

When I turn on the light manually I want a different logic. I probably do that, because batteries in the sensor have died and I want a manual override.

 

But I do not want the light to stay "on" forever, because all my family members expect everything to be "automatic" so the light would be on forever.

 

But after 23:00 I don't wan't the main light to come on, I want something more subtle. So I add a low power LED (later, I'll use a RGBW LED strip, so that will change again.)

 

Also, When I turn on the main light, I don't want the night light on.

 

But when I turn off the main light, I still want the night light to turn on and turn off when there is no motion, because otherwise at night you'll be in the dark.

 

I also have these rare moments with my family, when we watch TV together. In that case, lights in the kitchen aren't needed and so I should be able to turn everything off. It is my infinitely small contribution to a greener world  - so timers and control logic get yet another layer of complexity.

 

You will never see me post my complete solution: it is complex and it is highly tuned to MY PREFERENCES. It might inspire you, but it is not reusable code.

 

So, long story short. You want simple timers? OK. But sorry for my "lack of enthusiasm".

 

(*) I tend to use the phrase "presence detection" nowadays instead of "motion detection". There are a few topics discussing strategies, but I would say "PIR motion" is still mainstream technology. But detecting if the coffee maker is powered on also counts as "presence detection".

 

Please, continue the discussion! Your english is OK and if you wan't to say something in your native language please do so, someone will translate it for you. Much better than translation engines!

 

[Bodyart 231]

1 hour ago, petergebruers said:

To make things really work the way it "feels automated" complexity creeps

@petergebruers I woul'd like to add, that it is a Neverending story, because with the time people are getting new ideas, new wishes etc...  as the Germans say: "Mit dem Essen komt das Apetit."  With the food comes the apetite.

[petergebruers 1,268]

2 minutes ago, Bodyart said:

@petergebruers I woul'd like to add, that it is a Neverending story, because with the time people are getting new ideas, new wishes etc...  as the Germans say: "Mit dem Essen komt das Apetit."  With the food comes the apetite.

 

Nice one. Makes me think of "erst das fressen dann die moral".

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9 hours ago, petergebruers said:

 

Nice one. Makes me think of "erst das fressen dann die moral".

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mehr , ein bier und noch eins

[giuse 5]

23 hours ago, Bodyart said:

@petergebruers I woul'd like to add, that it is a Neverending story, because with the time people are getting new ideas, new wishes etc...  as the Germans say: "Mit dem Essen komt das Apetit."  With the food comes the apetite.

 

Nice German sayings but back to the first one which is meant to development of the Fibaro App or HC2 ... I would also add this one "Appetit holt man sich woanders, aber gegessen wird zuhause." but this depends on Fibaro if they cook better or cook what I wish to eat.  Sorry to say this... please no hammers.

[Bodyart 231]

6 hours ago, giuse said:

I would also add this one "Appetit holt man sich woanders, aber gegessen wird zuhause."

Hehehe; I know that one only regarding the women